moderated BIAB Song File Sources


andrewlamprell@...
 

Well I managed to get myself this far, thank you Yahoo groups for making my life so difficult, why cant you just leave things alone?
Thank you to Bob Norton for hosting the backing tracks, I have no doubt that is quite a bit of work to do. So my question is what will happen to all the files with melodies on them? As a very amateur Sax player I find them really helpful to play along to as I don't know how to work out what the notes should be.I will be long dead before I work out how to do that.
So if anyone can point me in the direction of how to find files with melodies I will be grateful.
Kind regards
Andrew


Dave Williams
 

If this is ridiculous question for this group, I won't be upset if it's ignored. But it's been a very long tine since I've updated my collection of BIAB songs. The first time must have been about 20 years ago when I downloaded hundreds of jazz songs from a guy named Wes Dick. In those days song titles had to be truncated, so it's not always easy to find what I want. I also remember that Alisdare posted a list of sources, but I haven't looked in years. Any tips on current sources would be greatly appreciated.

Dave Williams


BIAB Moderator
 

I have thousands of files to go through and I am in the process of sorting, collatating, documenting and zipping the files, and putting the file archive section in order. adding new files etc., I will upload them as soon as I can.


Dave Williams
 

Thanks for that info...and thanks for the effort.


David H. Bailey
 

On 12/2/2019 8:40 AM, Dave Williams wrote:
If this is ridiculous question for this group, I won't be upset if it's ignored. But it's been a very long tine since I've updated my collection of BIAB songs. The first time must have been about 20 years ago when I downloaded hundreds of jazz songs from a guy named Wes Dick. In those days song titles had to be truncated, so it's not always easy to find what I want. I also remember that Alisdare posted a list of sources, but I haven't looked in years. Any tips on current sources would be greatly appreciated.
Wesley Dick's site is still available through this link:
<https://web.archive.org/web/20090511233711/http://www.wesleydick.com/songlist.html>

Here's another source of song files:
<https://www.dropbox.com/sh/azh0bigv4zarj3v/AABDFw1vLd7Zx4EkSBjkURMKa?dl=0>

I'm sure you can find others if you simply do a search for "Band in a Box Song Files"

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*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Alisdair MacRae Birch
 

Wesley Dick, that’s a name I haven’t heard for quite a while. He was one of the early contributors to this group and it’s fore runner. Anyone know what has happened to him?

 

So where did all these BIAB files come from?
Short answer: Well they came from this group and its fore-runners and the members of those groups.

 

Here’s some history….

 

In the early 80’s I was involved in the development of MIDI, as part of that I helped establish a European-based SIG (Special Interest Group) bulletin board (dial-up) focused on MIDI development using Ward Christensen’s CBBS bulletin board software on a CP/M based computer. It was specialist group for those technically minded involved in the development of MIDI and music software that used MIDI and as part of that we had an archive of MIDI files at that time mainly for test purposes. After MIDI was launched to the general public, many more people joined, and it grew to include those who had begun performing and composing with MIDI and developed a repository of MIDI files. As BBs used dial-up it was prohibitively expensive dialing up internationally so around mid 80s we had changed the BBs software over to FidoNet as it used a store-and-forward system to exchange messages between the BBSes in the network. This helped open up the system to more internationally, and in particular at that time Japan, where a lot of development work was being done.

 

Around the late 1980’s I became aware of Peter Gannon developing Band-In-A-Box through the BBs. I think it was through another member, (I’m not sure Peter was a member – probably unlikely coz of the issues of international communication) but certainly he was researching technical aspects of MIDI and MIDI cards etc., and members of the group who worked for some of the early MIDI card makers had emailed/spoken with him etc., and then a while later I got the first release of BIAB running on MSDOS. Other members of the BBs began using BIAB and so we forked a sub-group on BIAB and created a file repository.

 

Over time as the, internet grew with the launch of the first browsers, Mosaic etc., the use of BBs declined and so we moved the groups over to eGroups, and in particular a separate group for BIAB users. It was there that archive of BIAB files really grew. eGroups then merged with Onelist  which was then bought by Yahoo who merged it with Yahoo Clubs and that became Yahoo groups! During the various transitions, much was lost, and that was one of the reasons I was eventually goaded into moving this group from Yahoo to Groups.io.  

 

So back to the original question and a rant…

 

Virtually all the BIAB files you find on the WWW came from the members of those non-commercial discussion groups. The various zip file collections were done by those members. A lot of time and effort was put into creating those files etc., As many of the members were musicians or at least aspiring musicians, who wanted to share with follow musicians, but were very aware of the need for musicians and creators of music to be paid, we put readme’s  in the zips and on the site saying:

 

“This zip and the files included are for private educational use only. Everything included within this file cannot be reproduced in any way, shape or form (physical, electronical, or otherwise) aside from being placed on a freely-accessible, non-commercial web page in it's original, unedited and unaltered format. This zip and the files included cannot be used for profitable purposes (even if no money would be made from selling it) or promotional purposes. It cannot be used in any sort of commercial transaction. It cannot be given away as some sort of bonus, gift, etc., with a purchase as this creates incentive to buy and is therefore prohibited. Furthermore, zip and the files included cannot be used by the publishers, editors, employees or associates, etc. of any company, group, business, or association, etc., nor can it be used by game sites and the like. It cannot be used in magazines, guides, books, etc. or in any other form of printed or electronic media (including mediums not specifically mentioned) in ANY way, shape, or form (including reprinting, reference or inclusion)”

 

But…as the WWW grew, the files were downloaded, all of that was ignored, the readme’s in the in the zips were removed and many ripped out the attributions in the individual BIAB files (ie. who created or contributed them). Those files then got passed around, so no-one knew where anything came from…But worse yet, around the early 2000 the first miscreants began bunding up the zips and selling them as CD/DVD collections on eBay, or packaging them with other software/hardware items as an incentive to buy, hiding the original origins by re-bundling them etc. this tide couldn’t be held back… rather than in the early years the old adage “Download one, Contribute one” people began just downloading and contributing nothing, not even a thank-you.

I feared the WWW has ushered in some pretty dark forces and attitudes….but

I’ve been pleasantly surprised by all the grateful emails and messages I and others have received about moving and continuing the group. I think with all the revelations and scandals with Big-Tech, Google, Facebook, Amazon, the surveillance of users, Yahoo and other tech companies collapsing, the “New Economy” Uber, Instacart, DoorDash, Lyft etc., and being treated as a number in an apps algorithm etc people are not so dazzled by Big-Tech and are beginning to think more about their actions on the Web and of others and in particular humanity. Hopefully that continues…

The move so far to Groups.io has gone pretty well. We had numerous issues with Yahoo timing out and being inaccessible. It's literally collapsing. Many groups have been trying to move and many won't make it. We have been fortunate. Mark Fletcher who started Groups.io was one of founders of Onelist/eGroups...so it's like a return for the BIAB group to where it started on the WWW.  Here's Mark's blog post from 2014 annoucing the start of Groups.io:

 

https://wingedpig.com/2014/09/23/introducing-groups-io/

 

Anyway I’ve written way too much!

 

Enjoy!

 

 

-A

 

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Guitarist/Bassist/Educator/Arranger

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https://twitter.com/alisdairbirch

http://www.linkedin.com/in/alisdairmacraebirch


kevro2000
 

Thats a whole lot of interesting history I never knew before: thanks!


georout@cogeco.ca
 

Hello my friend, I think maybe you sent an email to an incorrect address as I'm not familiar to what your referring. 

I'm always interested in BIAB files, I'm anl ancient lap steel player and already have hundreds of files.  (See George Rout on Youtube)

Slideguy

On 2019-12-04 6:53 p.m., kevro2000 via Groups.Io wrote:

Thats a whole lot of interesting history I never knew before: thanks!


Edward Minyard <ed@...>
 

I did not send anything. I did get one myself. Likely spam. 


On Dec 4, 2019, at 9:19 PM, George Rout via Groups.Io <georout@...> wrote:



Hello my friend, I think maybe you sent an email to an incorrect address as I'm not familiar to what your referring. 

I'm always interested in BIAB files, I'm anl ancient lap steel player and already have hundreds of files.  (See George Rout on Youtube)

Slideguy

On 2019-12-04 6:53 p.m., kevro2000 via Groups.Io wrote:

Thats a whole lot of interesting history I never knew before: thanks!


Edward Minyard <ed@...>
 

Same here. 


On Dec 4, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Richard Couture via Groups.Io <richard24156@...> wrote:


I did not send any email. I am getting strange stuff also. I need to unsubcribe from groups.io in a big hurry

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 21:19 George Rout <georout@...> wrote:

Hello my friend, I think maybe you sent an email to an incorrect address as I'm not familiar to what your referring. 

I'm always interested in BIAB files, I'm anl ancient lap steel player and already have hundreds of files.  (See George Rout on Youtube)

Slideguy

On 2019-12-04 6:53 p.m., kevro2000 via Groups.Io wrote:

Thats a whole lot of interesting history I never knew before: thanks!


rkl122
 

Wow Alisdair, thank you for the history and sentiment.  BOTH appreciated.  Special thanks also to you and all engaged in this new organizing project.

Longtime lurker/browser here, but that account fills in some blank timespots.  -Ron


Mario Grillo <sfmag1@...>
 

Yeah Slideguy That new group seems not user friendly. I'd like to upload my available BIb files directly to the group but dont see any provisions to do so.tanks.
M

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 6:19 PM George Rout <georout@...> wrote:

Hello my friend, I think maybe you sent an email to an incorrect address as I'm not familiar to what your referring. 

I'm always interested in BIAB files, I'm anl ancient lap steel player and already have hundreds of files.  (See George Rout on Youtube)

Slideguy

On 2019-12-04 6:53 p.m., kevro2000 via Groups.Io wrote:

Thats a whole lot of interesting history I never knew before: thanks!


Dr_J_P_Ricketts@...
 

Unsubscribe


On 4 Dec 2019, at 23:54, kevro2000 via Groups.Io <kevro2000@...> wrote:



Thats a whole lot of interesting history I never knew before: thanks!


Adam Spiers <adam@...>
 

If you want to unsubscribe then follow the links at the bottom of the email!

On Dec 4, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Richard Couture via Groups.Io <richard24156=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I did not send any email. I am getting strange stuff also. I need to unsubcribe from groups.io in a big hurry


Charlie Hull <charleshull7652@...>
 

I've been creating song files for BIAB for many years, and have a large collection , including trad jazz tunes, which I'm willilling to share on a one-to one basisIf you're interested in receiving any of my files, contact me directly and I'll send them to you directly outside the DJML
 
Charlie Hull
charlie@...


Paul Patterson
 

Charlie, I’d be interested in that generous offer. I’m a solo keyboard/vocalist here in Milwaukee and find it tough finding good jazz/standard tracks. 
Paul Patterson
ppatterson01@...


On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:19 AM, Charlie Hull <charleshull7652@...> wrote:


I've been creating song files for BIAB for many years, and have a large collection , including trad jazz tunes, which I'm willilling to share on a one-to one basisIf you're interested in receiving any of my files, contact me directly and I'll send them to you directly outside the DJML
 
Charlie Hull
charlie@...


Yvonne Olgers
 

Hello Charlie,

I’m also interested. I’m a saxophone player from the Netherlands and like to improvice on Jazz music. I’m not very good in making these tracks  myself.  

Best regards,
Yvonne Olgers

Met vriendelijke groet,

Yvonne Olgers


Van: band-in-a-box@groups.io namens Paul Patterson <ppatterson01@...>
Verzonden: donderdag, december 5, 2019 15:24
Aan: band-in-a-box@groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] BIAB Files?
 
Charlie, I’d be interested in that generous offer. I’m a solo keyboard/vocalist here in Milwaukee and find it tough finding good jazz/standard tracks. 
Paul Patterson
ppatterson01@...


On Dec 5, 2019, at 8:19 AM, Charlie Hull <charleshull7652@...> wrote:


I've been creating song files for BIAB for many years, and have a large collection , including trad jazz tunes, which I'm willilling to share on a one-to one basisIf you're interested in receiving any of my files, contact me directly and I'll send them to you directly outside the DJML
 
Charlie Hull
charlie@...


Wayne Ransier
 

Sounds great, I love jazz tunes.

Thanks,

Wayne

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:19 AM Charlie Hull <charleshull7652@...> wrote:
I've been creating song files for BIAB for many years, and have a large collection , including trad jazz tunes, which I'm willilling to share on a one-to one basisIf you're interested in receiving any of my files, contact me directly and I'll send them to you directly outside the DJML
 
Charlie Hull


Dorothy Duffy <dorothy.duffy@...>
 

Charlie,

I would like to receive your BIAB files.

Thanks,

Mike


On Thursday, December 5, 2019, 08:19:40 AM CST, Charlie Hull <charleshull7652@...> wrote:


I've been creating song files for BIAB for many years, and have a large collection , including trad jazz tunes, which I'm willilling to share on a one-to one basisIf you're interested in receiving any of my files, contact me directly and I'll send them to you directly outside the DJML
 
Charlie Hull
charlie@...


Izzy Flores
 

Hey, Charlie, that sounds great. So awesome of you. I'm a singer keyboardist and would love these files very much. Wow thank you


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:19 AM Charlie Hull <charleshull7652@...> wrote:
I've been creating song files for BIAB for many years, and have a large collection , including trad jazz tunes, which I'm willilling to share on a one-to one basisIf you're interested in receiving any of my files, contact me directly and I'll send them to you directly outside the DJML
 
Charlie Hull