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Re: Stolen Moments

Gudrun Brunot
 

I would definitely treat the intro as a having 8 bars.

 

 

 

Gudrun

 

Please note my new email of brunotgudrun@...

 

From: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:26 PM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: [Band-In-A-Box] Stolen Moments

 

OK I'm trying to do something a little different here and I'm wondering ow to set it up

The song is Stolen Moments by Oliver Nelson

The form is a'AABA

The a' section is a 4 measure the introduction (repeated twice)
The A sections are 16 measure melody (repeated twice)
The B sections are a 12 measure Cm blues where the improvisation takes place and this section has to repeat a variable number of times without a melody

The problem is A and B sections have a different chord patterns

Do I treat the A sections like an extended introduction

I can supply the Aebersold lead sheet if needed

Thanks
Steven


Stolen Moments

Steven
 

OK I'm trying to do something a little different here and I'm wondering ow to set it up

The song is Stolen Moments by Oliver Nelson

The form is a'AABA

The a' section is a 4 measure the introduction (repeated twice)
The A sections are 16 measure melody (repeated twice)
The B sections are a 12 measure Cm blues where the improvisation takes place and this section has to repeat a variable number of times without a melody

The problem is A and B sections have a different chord patterns

Do I treat the A sections like an extended introduction

I can supply the Aebersold lead sheet if needed

Thanks
Steven


PSR Group

Deaton Jones
 

I saw a question asking if there was a PSR group here and the answer was negative.   Anyone interested in a dedicated Yamaha RSR site that includes an excellent discussion forum should visit https://www.psrtutorial.com/


Re: Weird behavior from BIAB (I think it's weird anyway)

thorsak
 

Great explanation, David ...!
- Could you Email me your test-file  '_jazzfred' - it's great to have it for resolving the problems with the 'crackling sound glitches' in Windows ...
Tony H.


Re: Weird behavior from BIAB (I think it's weird anyway)

thorsak
 

Great explanation, David ...!
- Could you Email me your test-file  '_jazzfred' - it's great to have it for re4solving the problems with the 'crackling sound glitches' in Windows ...
Tony H.


Re: Weird behavior from BIAB (I think it's weird anyway)

Steven
 

Thank you Dave and Hayward.

The good things is that the melody track only needs to exist until I learn and can play the melody without a crutch, then after that is should all be fine.  And the learning part i can do with all midi without any problems.  After that I  can always switch over to an all real tracks backing.

Steven


Re: Weird behavior from BIAB (I think it's weird anyway)

Hayward Martin
 

There is an option under settings for each track to insert an Offset, either positive or negative, to advance or delay the offending track in increments to match it to the other tracks.

 

Hayward

 

From: Steven
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 8:30 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: [Band-In-A-Box] Weird behavior from BIAB (I think it's weird anyway)

 

Hello All,

I have BIAB 2017 installed on 2 computers.  My laptop running win 7 with a fairly small basic installation and I have the second on the desktop machine running my television and stereo system (windows 10 with the full installation with all the real tracks I have, etc.).

I put together a nice practice file of "days of wine and roses" on the laptop with a very simple straight forward melody (no syncopation) and simple chord progression using _jazzfred (midi version) as a style which played perfectly.

I then migrated the BIAB file to the desktop machine and on starting BIAB was told there was a real track version of the style that would give a better sound. So I said sure lets try it.  On starting to play it, the melody was completely out of synch with the accompaniment.  I checked the notation window and the melody appeared to be written correctly with notes starting at the beginning of the measures, i.e. nothing seemed to be off from what I could see.  As a last resort i switched back to _jazzfred, the midi version and everything played perfectly with no synch issues..

Is there any kind of known issue with this BIAB build where switching from the midi to real tracks version causes the file to loose synch or have other issues, or is this just a one time anomaly?

At this point I'm not sure I want to upgrade because I have not seen the improvements outweighing the cost for the software.

Thanks
Steven

 


Re: Weird behavior from BIAB (I think it's weird anyway)

David H. Bailey
 

On 6/4/2020 8:30 AM, Steven wrote:
Hello All,
I have BIAB 2017 installed on 2 computers.  My laptop running win 7 with a fairly small basic installation and I have the second on the desktop machine running my television and stereo system (windows 10 with the full installation with all the real tracks I have, etc.).
I put together a nice practice file of "days of wine and roses" on the laptop with a very simple straight forward melody (no syncopation) and simple chord progression using _jazzfred (midi version) as a style which played perfectly.
I then migrated the BIAB file to the desktop machine and on starting BIAB was told there was a real track version of the style that would give a better sound. So I said sure lets try it.  On starting to play it, the melody was completely out of synch with the accompaniment.  I checked the notation window and the melody appeared to be written correctly with notes starting at the beginning of the measures, i.e. nothing seemed to be off from what I could see.  As a last resort i switched back to _jazzfred, the midi version and everything played perfectly with no synch issues..
Is there any kind of known issue with this BIAB build where switching from the midi to real tracks version causes the file to loose synch or have other issues, or is this just a one time anomaly?
At this point I'm not sure I want to upgrade because I have not seen the improvements outweighing the cost for the software.
MIDI has zero latency because it's just a series of instructions sent to a sound source at the speed that electricity travels over wires the distance from your computer to your MIDI device (okay, there's some latency but it's in the micro-seconds category and so not perceivable by most humans.) The sounds that are produced are already in memory in that device so they don't need to be read from a hard-disk. If you're having the MIDI played through your computer's soundcard, it's an even shorter travel time so even less MIDI latency than over USB to an external module or keyboard.

Audio always has latency because it takes time for the computer's CPU to read the audio data into RAM, then process the commands, then send the sound to the output device.

My advice is not to mix audio with midi -- I know that there are some BIAB styles which mix both but I believe PGMusic programmed some algorithm into BIAB so that it appears not to have a discrepancy in the sounds. But playing a melody is different since PGMusic doesn't have any control over processing what notes you've played.

You can adjust the latency in the Options menu, Midi/Audio Driver Setup dialog. Try various values in the latency box and see if that makes your melody and the realtracks align better.


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Weird behavior from BIAB (I think it's weird anyway)

Steven
 

Hello All,

I have BIAB 2017 installed on 2 computers.  My laptop running win 7 with a fairly small basic installation and I have the second on the desktop machine running my television and stereo system (windows 10 with the full installation with all the real tracks I have, etc.).

I put together a nice practice file of "days of wine and roses" on the laptop with a very simple straight forward melody (no syncopation) and simple chord progression using _jazzfred (midi version) as a style which played perfectly.

I then migrated the BIAB file to the desktop machine and on starting BIAB was told there was a real track version of the style that would give a better sound. So I said sure lets try it.  On starting to play it, the melody was completely out of synch with the accompaniment.  I checked the notation window and the melody appeared to be written correctly with notes starting at the beginning of the measures, i.e. nothing seemed to be off from what I could see.  As a last resort i switched back to _jazzfred, the midi version and everything played perfectly with no synch issues..

Is there any kind of known issue with this BIAB build where switching from the midi to real tracks version causes the file to loose synch or have other issues, or is this just a one time anomaly?

At this point I'm not sure I want to upgrade because I have not seen the improvements outweighing the cost for the software.

Thanks
Steven


workarounds for improved accessibility

Gudrun Brunot
 

Hi all: I’m looking for some help, actually. I’ve used BIAB since 2005 and have the latest 2020 version with xtra styles, bonus paks, the works. I have also installed scripts for using BIAB with JAWS, the accessible screen reading program developed by Pete Torpey and used by visually impaired BIAB customers. Yes, I have the list of BIAB hotkeys also. Now, to the crux:

 

A few years ago, the BIAB interface was easier to navigate than it is today. With frequent updates, accessibility can get broken, so you get “updated away” from usability. I have, to the best of my ability, prepared some simple audio tutorials for some functions to share with fellow musicians, and so have other visually impaired BIAB users. The thing is, each one of us has to find a way of getting the task done that we want to accomplish, and, without knowing exactly what needs to be happening, that can be impossible to accomplish. In short,  if I knew more, if I could figure out more keystroke maneuvers I’d try to prepare more “eyes-free” tutorial to help visually impaired fellow BIAB users.

 

I have contacted PGMusic Marketing repeatedly with a list of issues I’d want to work on, asking if they could possibly find someone in their outfit who could spend an hour or two with me to put together workarounds. The silence has been deafening, so now, I’m turning to this list.

 

How do I envision this to work? TeamViewer would allow another person to see my screen, and we would both have access to it, and that program allows conversation as well.

 

What are some of the issues on that list? Moving a set of bars from one location to another. Getting more efficient use out of the style picker—for instance, selecting an xtra style is very tricky.

 

I may be asking a lot, I know, but there is no obligation to reply if the answer is no. That’s the comforting thing.

 

Gudrun

 

Find my resume, listen to samples, and read about my services: vocal instruction, voiceover production, translation, phone interpreting, sound design, and hear clips from my CD, J-Walking by visiting

 

http://www.gudrunbrunot.com

 

New Email Address:  brunotgudrun@...

 


Re: Can Biab play jazz harmony?

etcjoe
 

A guy selling his own styles of course. I think it is all in the ear of the listener in the end.


Re: Can Biab play jazz harmony?

David H. Bailey
 

On 6/2/2020 12:54 AM, jan@jazzstylezz.com wrote:
Computer says no.
https://youtu.be/dNdrtjwdlik
_._,_._,_
I don't understand what the person was doing -- no BIAB generated bass part plays the same rhythms exactly all the time, so when each two-measure passage shows exactly the same rhythm up and down, that makes me think that the experiment was not as carefully planned as the person who made the video thinks it was.

Did the person who ran that experiment run it many different times and each time get the same result, or is this just one result? If he put that chart in front of a live bass player, how would the results differ?

What am I missing about how the experiment was carried out?

And the creator of that video seems to think that every bass player in the world of jazz would play exactly the same scale for each chord. Bass players add in some spice. Piano players leave out notes. What's the big deal?

If it sounds like jazz it IS jazz, and no amount of textbook theory will ever say otherwise.

It may well not match every concept of jazz bass playing that the person who made the video thinks should be fulfilled, but it's sure good enough and jazzy enough for me.

If it's not jazzy enough for everybody, that's life. Anybody who expects a computer jazz accompaniment program to play every passage on every instrument in the manner that individual thinks it should be played, is asking for disappointment.

BIAB's not perfect -- it's up to each of us to decide how much imperfection is alright. For me BIAB nails that very nicely -- its imperfections in the notes it picks for the chords I ask it to play are not a problem for me.





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Can Biab play jazz harmony?

@Dzjang
 


Re: Old Version Missing Pgm Fonts!

Pete Nicholls
 

Just right-click on the ttf file and choose install.


Re: Old Version Missing Pgm Fonts!

David H. Bailey
 

Have you rebooted your computer since you manually installed the fonts?

Try copying them into your main BB folder.

Then you'll have the fonts in the same places I have them on my computer. I don't know which actual version works, but I get proper display and printout from BIAB.

Good luck -- This might well be a situation where you have to upgrade to a newer version of BIAB to work with your 64-bit installation of windows10.

Keep us posted as to how you proceed and if either of my suggestions works for you.

Thanks,
David H. Bailey

On 5/19/2020 9:29 PM, ptrtool1999@gmail.com wrote:
hey folks
i get the message 'missing pgmus.ttf' when trying to open notation window. I've downloaded the pgmus font, as well the a font fix pack that says it will update the font to 64 bit version of windows (am running windows 10 with biab megapack from 2007).  I've manually installed the font to c:\windows\fonts and have also copied it to c:\windows\system (where the program seems to want it)
still getting the message.
anyone have any ideas?
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Old Version Missing Pgm Fonts!

ptrtool1999@...
 

hey folks

i get the message 'missing pgmus.ttf' when trying to open notation window. I've downloaded the pgmus font, as well the a font fix pack that says it will update the font to 64 bit version of windows (am running windows 10 with biab megapack from 2007).  I've manually installed the font to c:\windows\fonts and have also copied it to c:\windows\system (where the program seems to want it)

still getting the message.

anyone have any ideas?


Partial n/f on Mixer

IAN GRAHAM
 

Morning all, from shut-down Wales

[I think this is the first time I've posted to the new location, so apologies if I've got the address wrong].

This post started as an enquiry but has changed in the process into a report ! Bear with me !

I haven't used Biab for some weeks, and this morning have input an new chord sequence.........There's something odd about the Mixer. The solo and mute buttons work, but the volume slides seem to be disconnected. I can control volume by the buttons/display at the top of the screen, but even then the numeric display for the volume on the Mixer doesn't reflect what is actually set and playing.

At this point it occurred to me to go to the Patches tab of the Mixer to see if that was working, and I reset the bass to something ridiculous, just to see. Yes, the change happened - and suddenly, the sliders were working again ! Wierd. One for the archives - may help someone, sometime.

Stay safe, everyone.

Ian G.


Re: How Can I Make My Song Endings More Natural?

Roy Robinson
 

Doh !
Bob you are so right.  (Banging my head) Why didn't I think of that! 

love this BiaB group


Re: How to use the SGU Files ? #BiaB2020

Hayward Martin
 

I used RLSINATR.STY (Sinatra w. Real Instuments), which I think was included with BIAB.    Hayward

 

From: Lee Griffith via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:13 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] How to use the SGU Files ? #BiaB2020

 

Ahhh…thank you. I will place it in the files area if I can figure out where that is located. :)

 

-Lee



On May 13, 2020, at 7:48 AM, etcjoe <joebradley62@...> wrote:

 

What style are you referring to? If you tried to attach a file they are stripped from posts. It has to be put in the files area.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM, Lee Griffith <ldgriff@...> wrote:

As a piano player you might try this style for “All the Things You Are.”  It has the intro and ending programmed in.

 

 

 

 

-Lee

 

On May 11, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Mwgkeys <mwgkeys@...> wrote:

I just purchased BIAB 2020 Audiophile for Mac.
I was excited to see all of the jazz files available to download.
Ive downloaded a couple to try out.  The chord changes load fine.  However the styles aren't quite what I would like.
I particularly like some of the Terry Clarke Real Drums and Ive selected a  style to play the All The Things You Are file I downloaded
However, I am not getting a bass line to play....Im a piano player and am looking to use BIAB for bass and drums to play along with on gigs.....

How do I use the downloaded chord charts and the Real styles I like together ?

thank you !

 

 


Re: How to use the SGU Files ? #BiaB2020

Lee Griffith
 

Ahhh…thank you. I will place it in the files area if I can figure out where that is located. :)

-Lee

On May 13, 2020, at 7:48 AM, etcjoe <joebradley62@...> wrote:

What style are you referring to? If you tried to attach a file they are stripped from posts. It has to be put in the files area.

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM, Lee Griffith <ldgriff@...> wrote:
As a piano player you might try this style for “All the Things You Are.”  It has the intro and ending programmed in.
 
 
 
 
-Lee

On May 11, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Mwgkeys <mwgkeys@...> wrote:
I just purchased BIAB 2020 Audiophile for Mac.
I was excited to see all of the jazz files available to download.
Ive downloaded a couple to try out.  The chord changes load fine.  However the styles aren't quite what I would like.
I particularly like some of the Terry Clarke Real Drums and Ive selected a  style to play the All The Things You Are file I downloaded
However, I am not getting a bass line to play....Im a piano player and am looking to use BIAB for bass and drums to play along with on gigs.....

How do I use the downloaded chord charts and the Real styles I like together ?

thank you !

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