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Tip (Requires BIAB10 & PT7)

DPRICE8292@...
 

I have noticed that pianist playing double octave melody will often
play the low note first, and then the high note slightly delayed.
I have found a way to achive this effect using a combination of
BIAB10 & PowerTracksProAudio7(also from P.G. Music). I first create
the song using "Double Octave Piano" in BIAB10. I then render the
song to a midi file. Once the midi file is loaded in PT7, The low
note melody will be on one track, and the high note will be on
another track. Once the track with the high notes is highlighted
(selected),I then use the "Slide" feature in PT to slide the selected
high note track to the right (delay) about 25 to 50ms depending on
the desired effect. The low and high tracks can then be merged to a
single track if desired.
Enjoy!
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
(dprice8292@aol.com)


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

Kenny Danielson <kendan@...>
 

I was going to answer the Reed rant but Norton did it quite expertly.

A point not emphasized enough is that it isn't a Mac vs. PC thing but
an OS thing. My OS was Windows NT4 but I had to make a dual boot
system for the audio stuff that was originally written for Mac and then
grudgingly adapted for Windows95. Mac is a good machine for media
types and you may remember when it was that they got all the attention
while the PC's had to settle for imperfectly adapted software or none
at all. Even now, my PC must dual boot W2K and W98 to use current
audio programs (originally Mac) that have not yet been updated.

The common advice in 1978, when I bought my first computer, was to
chose the software and then get a computer that would run it. Still true
today, unfortunately. It is really amazing that any software is written
for Mac these days, given the small population of users.

Norton's point about piracy is right on. If you want to see more output
from your favorite authors then support them. Keep pirating and they
will disappear forever.

Mac is a superior system for some things but keep in mind that market
forces dictate so don't take it personally if the consensus is contrary to
your desires and if you insist on championing a lost cause, you are quite
likely to be endlessly frustrated.

Kenny

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob 'Notes' Norton" <norton@nortonmusic.com>
To: <Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box


At 07:30 AM 2/15/01 +0000, jonathanreed@lycos.com wrote:
You raise some very good points.

I have been a registered user for about 8 years (Atari day's).
I first bough BiaB for the Atari on version 3, waaaaaaaay back in the 80s.
Unfortunately, the Atari became an orphan because not enough people bought
software for it, if you can't make profit on the software, nobody will
write it, and the platform will die. The Amiga is another example. A fine
computer that died of a small user base.

[SNIP] They charged me as a Mac
user the same price and do not provide the same service as the PC
side.
Some software manufacturers charge more for the Mac to try to make a
profit.

If they are not going to provide equal customer service for their
product all they need to do is let me know and I will take my business
elsewhere. After all that is the best way to get your message across.
Actually, that is the surest way to keep from ever having an update for
the
Mac.

*** I too have a Mac (and a PC), so allow me to play "THE DEVIL'S
ADVOCATE"
here. ***

The problem with the Mac platform is neither the hardware nor the OS, it
is
the small user base.

When I started writing styles for Band-in-a-Box, Mac was 25% of my market,
now it is less than 5%. Since music is one of the strongholds of the Mac
user base, it stands to reason that the rest of the industry shows similar
depressing numbers.

BTW, I dropped Atari support when it shrunk to under 1% or my sales.

Now suppose you were a software writer and you decide to spend a few
thousand hours writing software. You spend those writing for PC and Mac.
The PC platform returns almost $20.00 for every $1.00 that you see from
the
Mac platform. So you make almost 20 times the hourly wage writing for the
PC. It's a no brainer which you write for first.

Now it is time to invest a few thousand hours in an update. The natural
thing to do is to write for the PC and upgrade it first. You will get
almost 20 times the return for each hour spent.

OK, you spent almost a year on that and it sold well, but you need cash
flow to run this business so what are you going to do? Write another for
the PC or the Mac?

It is unfortunately a fact of life.

If you knew investing in one stock on wall street would return 20 times
the
value of another, which would you invest in?

To add insult to injury, I quit a Mac user's group because all they wanted
to do was swap stories and pirate software. If one person bought Page
Maker, they all had Page Maker. If one bought Illustrator, the all had
Illustrator. I doubt if all users groups are like this, but this
definitely
is one way to make sure you will be using a Windows computer in a few
years. Software is very time consuming to write and without a decent
return
on the investment, what's the use?

My advice to myself and all the other Mac users out there. Buy software,
and buy it often and buy a lot of it. Buy it whether you need it or not.
Never ever give it away. Instead of upgrading your Mac, upgrade your
software first. The only way to keep the Mac platform alive is by
supporting the Mac software industry. (You can start by purchasing all of
my after-market style disks and fake disks <grin>)

If the people who write software cannot make a decent profit for their
time
by writing for the Mac, it will go the way of the Atari and the Amiga.

Once again, I have no axe to grind, I like my Mac and I like my PC. I like
some things about the Mac better, and I like some things about the PC
better. It is comparing apples and oranges (sorry, I couldn't resist).
However, if the Mac user base drops to less than 1% of my user base, I
won't be able to afford to write for it anymore. At at 1%, I'll stick it
out longer than most people. PG seems to be cutting back at about 5%.

In summary, Mac users must show their numbers with their dollars if we
don't want our Macs to be orphans.

OK, I'm done playing "devil's advocate" and return you to your regularly
scheduled BiaB group.


- - - - - - - - -
Bob "Notes" Norton
owner, Norton Music
norton@nortonmusic.com
http://www.nortonmusic.com

Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the
world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


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Re: Frustrations?transpose

M. Steven Ginn <sginn@...>
 

Hi Peter,

For transpose : click with your left mousebutton on the bar you
want transpose.
Hold the button down,and drag every thing you want transpose until
you see a black field.
(hold it black).
Now you must go to EDIT , than TRANSPOSE ,and you can see how many
bars for transpose.
Hope this will help you.(and understand what i meant)

Greetings from the Netherlands, Peter

(My Dutch is much better).
Is this in notation mode? Will it not try and transpose the chords that
I entered as well? You see if I enter the chords, I put them in
correctly for each key, but when I get to the notation and need to enter
the melody, whatever key I pick in the beginning will apply to every
note I enter, regardless of whether the previously entered chord is in
the right key. If this will transpose just the notes, thereby putting
the correct accidentals on all the notes relative to the songs key,
without changing the entered chord, then it would be useful. At least
until PG added this necessary feature.

Thanks,

Steve

P.S. I think your english sounds fine!


Re: Notation

M. Steven Ginn <sginn@...>
 

Hi Susan,

thanks for your response

IMHO, the root of your problem is that you've mistaken BIAB for a
notation program. It's not. It's an auto-accompaniment tool, which
supports a minimal set of notation for Lead Sheet printing. That
notation support is, uh, idiosyncratic in some cases buggy in others.
It often handy for me, but if you want to be able to do key changes,
have accidentals display in a conventional manner, have
second endings,
specify precise note values, rests, ties, dots, etc.... you need a
notation program.
I understand its not a notation program as I have Finale for that. And
I am not looking for all the bells and whistles that you can get with a
notation program (like second endings, etc.). But, if PG music is going
to include notation functionality, it should at the very least include
some fundamental features.

First, making a key change is not even just a notation issue and as an
auto-accompaniment tool, modulating keys should be very necessary. Then
when you add in the other capabilities like melodist and soloist, it is
one thing to generate notes based on the chords (which I assume that it
does) but it sounds kind of funny when the key doesn't change to reflect
the modulation.

Second, since music is fundamentally tied to "time", if you can't
control the time element of a melody line that you enter with basic
elements like rests, ties, dots, etc. (and I'm not talking about codas,
repeat endings, tacets, etc. and various other time related features)
then it renders the program from this standpoint virtually unusable.

Once you have the melody entered in either program, it's relatively
straightforward to export it as a MIDI file and ship it to the other
program. Of course, you'll lose the formatting in that case, but for
example you could use a melody exported from NWC to play with a BIAB
auto accompaniment. You'd have to enter the chords twice: as text in
NWC, and in the chord window of BIAB.
So if I understand correctly, then the most accurate way to do this, is
to create a melody line (exactly) in a notation program. Then export
that to BIAB where you add the chords (and lyrics if you like, but I
haven't gotten to that point yet). From there you should have a somewhat
useful compilation closely resembling the original song, assuming you
can find a decent style to make it sound real. Then finally, if you
want to use this song and print out lead sheets, you need to take this
back into a notation program again, to clean it all up so that the band
members can follow it.

**********************

About practicing with your personal library of music.

What I often do, if I have a lead sheet from another source, is just
enter the chords in BIAB and the read from the lead sheet while BIAB
plays. Better yet, I don't enter the chords but find the tune in the
collection of stuff I've downloaded from the web.
This sounds like a great idea. I guess I was just hoping to prevent
double entry into BIAB and into the notation app for the lead sheet.

**********************

Anyway, good luck, and I hope this helps a little.
Thanks for the help!

Steve


Re: Frustration

M. Steven Ginn <sginn@...>
 

Hi Dave,

thanks for the reply

You didn't say which version of BIAB you have, or which
styles disk you have
or if you have a PC or Mac.
I have version 10 for the PC and I have no idea what styles disk I have.
I originally purchased a combo pak that contained BB 8.0 and Powertraks
Pro and then recently upgraded to version 10, but I have only gone
through the standard installation and don't know what features (styles)
were installed.


First of all, If you have not done so, I would recommend
getting the MegaPack
upgrade to the latest version (version 10 for the PC). It
includes ALL the
styles up to and including Styles disk 26, and at a much
better price than
buying individual styles disks. Some of the latest styles
require version 10
to function properly.
I wish I would have known about upgrading to the MegaPack before I
recently upgraded to version 10.

So I assume these other Styles disks improve BB sound it doesn't sound
so "computeresque" cheesy?

BIAB is much more functional with a good selection of styles.
As for notation entering and editing, its quite easy.
There are 3 modes of notation. Pressing the N button toggles
I figured this part out and yes, clicking on the staff with the mouse is
fairly easy, if you are willing to accept what it gives you.


between these 3
modes. Shift click to backup one mode. In the editable
Also, If you use the mouse to enter a note, it will enter a
"long" note, but
when the next note is clicked, the previous note is
automatically shortened,
the next note is automatically shortened so that the combined notes in
the measure add up to the required number of beats per measure, but the
shortened notes don't necessarily arrive in the correct order. For
example you might want 1.5 + .25 + 1 + 1 + .25, but BB gives you 1 + .75
+ .25 + 1 + 1 (very crude I know, but it explains the problems I
experienced with a single measure for a long time before giving up.

Thanks,

Steve


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 07:30 AM 2/15/01 +0000, jonathanreed@lycos.com wrote:
You raise some very good points.

I have been a registered user for about 8 years (Atari day's).
I first bough BiaB for the Atari on version 3, waaaaaaaay back in the 80s.
Unfortunately, the Atari became an orphan because not enough people bought
software for it, if you can't make profit on the software, nobody will
write it, and the platform will die. The Amiga is another example. A fine
computer that died of a small user base.

[SNIP] They charged me as a Mac
user the same price and do not provide the same service as the PC
side.
Some software manufacturers charge more for the Mac to try to make a profit.

If they are not going to provide equal customer service for their
product all they need to do is let me know and I will take my business
elsewhere. After all that is the best way to get your message across.
Actually, that is the surest way to keep from ever having an update for the
Mac.

*** I too have a Mac (and a PC), so allow me to play "THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"
here. ***

The problem with the Mac platform is neither the hardware nor the OS, it is
the small user base.

When I started writing styles for Band-in-a-Box, Mac was 25% of my market,
now it is less than 5%. Since music is one of the strongholds of the Mac
user base, it stands to reason that the rest of the industry shows similar
depressing numbers.

BTW, I dropped Atari support when it shrunk to under 1% or my sales.

Now suppose you were a software writer and you decide to spend a few
thousand hours writing software. You spend those writing for PC and Mac.
The PC platform returns almost $20.00 for every $1.00 that you see from the
Mac platform. So you make almost 20 times the hourly wage writing for the
PC. It's a no brainer which you write for first.

Now it is time to invest a few thousand hours in an update. The natural
thing to do is to write for the PC and upgrade it first. You will get
almost 20 times the return for each hour spent.

OK, you spent almost a year on that and it sold well, but you need cash
flow to run this business so what are you going to do? Write another for
the PC or the Mac?

It is unfortunately a fact of life.

If you knew investing in one stock on wall street would return 20 times the
value of another, which would you invest in?

To add insult to injury, I quit a Mac user's group because all they wanted
to do was swap stories and pirate software. If one person bought Page
Maker, they all had Page Maker. If one bought Illustrator, the all had
Illustrator. I doubt if all users groups are like this, but this definitely
is one way to make sure you will be using a Windows computer in a few
years. Software is very time consuming to write and without a decent return
on the investment, what's the use?

My advice to myself and all the other Mac users out there. Buy software,
and buy it often and buy a lot of it. Buy it whether you need it or not.
Never ever give it away. Instead of upgrading your Mac, upgrade your
software first. The only way to keep the Mac platform alive is by
supporting the Mac software industry. (You can start by purchasing all of
my after-market style disks and fake disks <grin>)

If the people who write software cannot make a decent profit for their time
by writing for the Mac, it will go the way of the Atari and the Amiga.

Once again, I have no axe to grind, I like my Mac and I like my PC. I like
some things about the Mac better, and I like some things about the PC
better. It is comparing apples and oranges (sorry, I couldn't resist).
However, if the Mac user base drops to less than 1% of my user base, I
won't be able to afford to write for it anymore. At at 1%, I'll stick it
out longer than most people. PG seems to be cutting back at about 5%.

In summary, Mac users must show their numbers with their dollars if we
don't want our Macs to be orphans.

OK, I'm done playing "devil's advocate" and return you to your regularly
scheduled BiaB group.


- - - - - - - - -
Bob "Notes" Norton
owner, Norton Music
norton@nortonmusic.com
http://www.nortonmusic.com

Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


Styles and Macs/This is how to change those PC style files to Mac files

vstguy@...
 

Sometimes you have to change those PC style files to Mac style files because the Mac version of B in a B
can't see those styles created by our PC friends.

You simply change the file type and file creator.

There are Mac programmes such as FileBuddy and Snitch that make it very easy.

My strong recommendation here is don't use apple'sRES-Edit, its overkill for this job.

I have often wondered why those PG guys have never provided a drag/drop file type/creator changer for
Mac users.


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

jonathanreed@...
 

Hi,

As a warning to all, I am now on my soap box. :-)

In regards to taking a poll to see if a manufacturer (PG Music) of a
product (BIAB) should support its users/customers.

As the guy on TV say's "Give me a Break!"

The biggest complaint (and I have quite a few about PG music) that I
have with PG music is there has not been any comunication from them in
regards to upgrades. Its been over two years! They charged me as a Mac
user the same price and do not provide the same service as the PC
side.

If they are not going to provide equal customer service for their
product all they need to do is let me know and I will take my business
elsewhere. After all that is the best way to get your message across.

So let me ask this. If the rolls were reversed and the PC version
lagged behind the Mac version, how would you all feel about PG music?

I have been a registered user for about 8 years (Atari day's). In that
time the only comunication I have received from PG music is an answer
to my feedback on their website about this very subject and even then
it took them a few weeks. Its to bad there isn't any other program
like this since competion would bring better service.

I am off the soapbox now.


web sign in/reply to Tom Speer

vstguy@...
 

Reply to Message from

Tom Speer here (again)

I have no problem with the list,I am receiving it fine ,its just access to
the web site that requires information be given to Yhoo (password ,login
id).

Please dont remove me from the list.

Thanks
Tom


I think that's the norm. I think its a great feature because the admin can quickly zapp those that misuse
the board.

What really bugs me is the way this board handles replies and threads.

I wish this board worked like VS-Planet or Cubase. Those boards require registration and sign in however
they handle threads much much better than eGroups.


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

Bob "Notes" Norton said:
You can get Password Pro at many shareware sites or by going to
http://cmbsoftware.com/ and downloading it. I think the registration was
only $9.95 (paid it a long time ago, so it might have changed) and in you
want, you can password protect your password file. Then you can call up the
password file and use it to recall your various passwords and user names.
I am sure there are other shareware programs out there that also do the
same thing.
Richard Whitehouse responded:
Well, maybe so, but IMHO, it's just too much trouble. The way I see it,
if someone wants me to vote on a poll, I'm doing them a favour by going
there and voting, so they should make it as easy for me as possible.
And "Notes" adds.

I vote in the polls using the same password that I sign in with. I needed
the password to join the group, saved it in Password Pro, and when voting
time came around, I opened password pro, signed in and voted.

I could be wrong, but I don't think you can join this group without
registering a user name and password, and if you remember that name and
password, you can vote in the polls, post and do other things you cannot do
without entering the name and password.

Although a slight hassle, signing in with your group name and password does
benefit us in one way. Only group members are allowed to post, upload and
vote. That keeps the spammers away. One trip to the
alt.binaries.band.in.a.box usenet (newsgroup) group will illustrate what I
mean. For every post about Band-in-a-Box there are usually up to a dozen
posts about getting rich quick (it's legal, really), come see my xxx
pictures, refinance your house at zero percent interest, erase your bad
credit, find out anything about anybody, etc. You have all read the
subjects (and hopefully not opened the spam, it only encourages them when
you respond).

I also noticed that by using your user name and password, you can only vote
once. Since I use a Mac and a PC, I tried to enter both in the poll, and
the software wouldn't let me do that. I clicked Mac, then PC and instead of
adding another vote, it just changed my vote. So by using your name and
password, it keeps an unscrupulous person from "stuffing the ballot box" --
no hanging chads here ;-)

So although having to sign in with your already chosen user name and
password (you cannot post without it) may be a bit of a hassle, IMO it
provides two very useful functions. I would rather type in that name and
password than read a bunch of inappropriate spam posts or look at a poll
that has been stuffed to the point of such inaccuracy that it is not valid.

Just my .00000000002ยข worth




- - - - - - - - -
Bob "Notes" Norton
owner, Norton Music
norton@nortonmusic.com
http://www.nortonmusic.com

Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


New Member Introduction

Clemmons, Scott <scottc@...>
 

Hi,

My name is Scott Clemmons. I just received my BIAB last Friday from Bob Norton after reading its praises on this list. I have to say, I am NOT disappointed, and, in fact, it exceeded my expectations. As mentioned in a previous posting of mine, my goal is to make MIDI "exercises" with Bass & Drums, such as ii-V-Is and such, so that I can play-along with them on a MIDI-capable piano. I was able to do this in a matter of minutes after installing the program. I made about a dozen such exercises this weekend. What surprised me was all of the other features that I didn't expect: the different harmony (esp. the Shearing style which I have been studying), the printing quality, and comping styles. I'll be able to use this to help my sight-reading skills,too. It took me about 5 minutes to enter the chords for a Dixie-Chicks song for my daughter to practice guitar along with. For its price, it's one of the most feature-packed programs I have purchased. (No, I don't have any affiliation!
with PG-Music.)

My background:
I'm 36, have been studying piano since 10. Most of my "prime" years I studied classical. After a 10-year on&off again college degree-plan, I received a Bachelor's in Jazz Performance. Despite this, I am the first to admit that my skills as a Jazz pianist are lacking and it's not since I graduated (about 9 years ago) that I have really started knowing what a Jazz pianist is supposed to sound like. I am inching my way forward, practicing when I can after the kids go to bed at night. I make my living as a Software Engineer, and I attribute my training/discipline as a pianist for my success. (When I was working on Beethoven's "Pathetic" Sonata in Cm for a Jury recital, I told myself that if I could accomplish that, I could do anything. I was right: I still have not found anything in the Software world as challenging. Then again, it's not rocket science or nuclear physics.)

I have an Ensoniq TS-12 keyboard (about 6-years old) that I don't play nearly as much since I got my Yamaha DGT7,a digital grand (about 6 months old). I love playing on it, and it has the nice feature of being able to play MIDI files,which I use to play-along with.

Currently I play with the Texas Instruments Jazz Band, a local big-band that has been around for about 15 years (see http://www.enerjazz.com/jazz/tijb.html ). This band consists of a bunch of engineers, part-time amateur musicians, that can really play! We gig on average of 12+ times a year, all for non-profit. Eventually, I would like to be in a small group as well, and play a few times a month, hopefully living out my retirement years as a full-time musician.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it for now.


Scott
:-|
No matter what happens,someone will find a way to take it too seriously.


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

Richard Whitehouse <rsw@...>
 

Well, maybe so, but IMHO, it's just too much trouble. The way I see it,
if someone wants me to vote on a poll, I'm doing them a favour by going
there and voting, so they should make it as easy for me as possible.

You can get Password Pro at many shareware sites or by going to
http://cmbsoftware.com/ and downloading it. I think the registration was
only $9.95 (paid it a long time ago, so it might have changed) and in you
want, you can password protect your password file. Then you can call up the
password file and use it to recall your various passwords and user names.
I am sure there are other shareware programs out there that also do the
same thing.


Notation

Susan Tucker <novice@...>
 

Steve,

In the new age vernacular, I feel your pain. A couple of observations
from a long time BIAB user:

IMHO, the root of your problem is that you've mistaken BIAB for a
notation program. It's not. It's an auto-accompaniment tool, which
supports a minimal set of notation for Lead Sheet printing. That
notation support is, uh, idiosyncratic in some cases buggy in others.
It often handy for me, but if you want to be able to do key changes,
have accidentals display in a conventional manner, have second endings,
specify precise note values, rests, ties, dots, etc.... you need a
notation program.

I have been pleased no end by Noteworthy Composer, an inexpensive
notation program:

http://www.ntworthy.com/

Once you have the melody entered in either program, it's relatively
straightforward to export it as a MIDI file and ship it to the other
program. Of course, you'll lose the formatting in that case, but for
example you could use a melody exported from NWC to play with a BIAB
auto accompaniment. You'd have to enter the chords twice: as text in
NWC, and in the chord window of BIAB.

**********************

About practicing with your personal library of music.

What I often do, if I have a lead sheet from another source, is just
enter the chords in BIAB and the read from the lead sheet while BIAB
plays. Better yet, I don't enter the chords but find the tune in the
collection of stuff I've downloaded from the web.

**********************

Anyway, good luck, and I hope this helps a little.

Susan Tucker

Message: 8
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:47:49 -0600
From: Steve Ginn <sginn@airmail.net>
Subject: Frustration

Well I sat down with BiaB last night to try and enter in my first piece of
music, hoping to begin the process of building my personal library. And
much to my frustration, I ran into the following problems which I couldn't
seem to find the answer for anywhere in the documentation.

First, I could not find how to put a key change in the middle of the piece
other than forcing all the accidentals to change the piece to the new key
manually which was extremely tedious.

Second, while entering in the melody, I found it very difficult to enter the
melody exactly like it should be. For example in one measure, I could not
enter a dotted quarter followed by an eighth note ... The program persisted
in entering a quarter note tied to a sixteenth note followed by a dotted
eighth, but when you actually played it back in Lead Sheet mode it displayed
the notes as two quarters (figure that one out). Also, I could not find
anywhere in the documentation about how to tie notes together within a
measure so they would be either slurred or held as a single note with the
combined duration.

Finally, the styles have little to be desired with most sounding somewhat
the same except for maybe the rhythm pattern when moving from a swing feel
to a straight ahead rock feel. It was also frustrating when changing a
style to learn that the melody line that I had painstakingly entered had now
been changed into a very mundane resemblance of its original structure.

All in all, very frustrating.

I really want to tough it out with this program because of all the messages
I have read from people on this list that talk about the wonderful things
this program can do. I can also see how this could help speed up the
creation of lead sheets (in conjunction with a real notation program) with
its creation of piano and rhythm sections. But if it is going to actually
create twice as much work in the process, as much as I would like to have my
library available for practicing along with, I think I will pass.

Sincerely,

Steve

to help, or know who to co


Re: unwanted mail / lies from PG Music

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 12:34 AM 2/14/01 -0300, "Miguel Correa" <mac@giga.com.ar>wrote:

Now I can see that I'm not alone fighting spammers.
There is a good site that can help us all fight spammers. Their software
usually finds out where the mail is coming from (not the forged e-mail
address), and then reports the violation to the spammer's Internet
provider. Quite often that gets them kicked off the server. While this
doesn't stop them, it slows them down a bit.

http://spamcop.net/ is the website. The service is free, but there are some
low cost upgrades you can get that will filter your mail for you. I choose
the free service.

Plus if everybody would never-ever-under-any-circumstances buy something
that arrived in their in-box unsolicited, it wouldn't be worth anybody's
time to spam. No matter how much you want, need or love whatever they are
selling, just say "No" to spam.

I think that PG Music is a really serious company, and I didn't never
suspect that they has given my email address... so what? *sight*
I write third party (after-market) user styles for Band-in-a-Box. PG Music
approves of what I am doing and they like my styles so much that they have
referred hundreds of customers to me for additional styles. I have been
trying to rent PG Music's mailing list (snail mail) for years, but Peter
Gannon flatly refuses to sell, rent or give away any information about his
customers. I feel certain that if he won't rent the names to me, he isn't
going to rent or sell them to anybody.

I also have that same policy. Any information given to Norton music stays
at Norton Music. I go as far as to keep all customer information on
removable drives. That way even if a hacker comes to visit me and bypasses
my security, there is nothing for him to steal. The computer I use to go
on-line with has no customer or Norton Music sensitive information on it.

If somebody is selling or renting your personal information, it is a safe
bet that it is neither PG Music nor Norton Music.


- - - - - - - - -
Bob "Notes" Norton
owner, Norton Music
norton@nortonmusic.com
http://www.nortonmusic.com

Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


Re: unwanted mail / lies from PG Music

Miguel Correa <mac@...>
 

Thanks Greg for your support!

Now I can see that I'm not alone fighting spammers.
But...

My primary concern is: how this dude got my private email address?
... and yours? (and a lot more, my mailbox is just beginning to
receive more and more messages about this topic, yup!)

I think that PG Music is a really serious company, and I didn't never
suspect that they has given my email address... so what? *sight*

again, thank you very much.


Regards
Michael


P.S.: I beg you pardon for my very poor command of English language,
it isn't my mother tongue.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Wilson" <gvwilson@interlog.com>
To: <Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <alisdair@alisdair.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: [Band-in-a-Box] re: unwanted mail / lies from PG Music


I sent mail again this morning telling PG Music that I didn't
subscribe to this list. Mr. Birch's attempt to shuffle blame
by suggesting that someone might be masquerading as me is a
transparent attempt to duck blame, and I'm *still* getting
messages that I don't want via this list. I've contacted
Yahoo Groups about this abuse, and would encourage everyone
else who's getting unwanted mail to do the same.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alisdair MacRae Birch [mailto:alisdair@alisdair.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:39 AM
To: Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Band-in-a-Box] Re: Styles and Macs


Greg

It's not possible to get on this list without subscribing. Therefore
somewhere on 2/12/2001 you or someone with access to your details
subscribed you. I have removed you as requested. Please check to see
if someone is masquerading as you with access to your details.

---alisdair

--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., Greg Wilson <gvwilson@i...> wrote:
I didn't subscribe to this list, would someone please take me off
it?
(This is the fourth time I've asked.)

Firstly, thx for all the songs people have uploaded
songs. Just amazing.

My qestion... I've tried loading the styles on my mac
[OS 9, Biab v8] but it sees them as PC files. Why
would it see the songs as Biab files and not the
styles and how could I make the styles work on my mac?

-Dave

=====
My on-line photo albums can be viewed at:
http://uk.briefcase.yahoo.com/honking_dave

This address (honking_dave@y...) is my web-based means of
picking up home e-mails (dave_shannon@l...) at work
(david_shannon@i...). All three work (so if you just hit 'reply' it
doesn't matter) but home is best.

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web sign on

Tom Speer <rrcp@...>
 

Tom Speer here (again)

I have no problem with the list,I am receiving it fine ,its just access to
the web site that requires information be given to Yhoo (password ,login
id).

Please dont remove me from the list.

Thanks
Tom


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

Tom Speer <rrcp@...>
 

I went there and tried to vote, but the site wanted me to "join". What is
with this current mania for making people join web pages all over the
place? I have way too many usernames and passwords to keep track of
allready.

My policy is, if the site wants me to 'sign up', or 'join', I'm gone.

Richard


Tom Speer replies:
I absolutely agree ! I get enough spam without signing up with another
source.

Tom


Re: unwanted mail / lies from PG Music

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 11:21 AM 2/13/01 -0500, "Greg Wilson" <gvwilson@interlog.com> wrote:
I sent mail again this morning telling PG Music that I didn't
subscribe to this list. Mr. Birch's attempt to shuffle blame
by suggesting that someone might be masquerading as me is a
transparent attempt to duck blame, and I'm *still* getting
messages that I don't want via this list. I've contacted
Yahoo Groups about this abuse, and would encourage everyone
else who's getting unwanted mail to do the same.
Dear Greg,

I am not an official of this group, just another group member so there is
really nothing I can do about your problem, but try to give you some
helpful advice.

I understand your frustration about not being able to stop something that a
nameless, faceless computer is doing *to you*, but please try to cool down
a bit. Getting excited won't help you solve your problem, it will only add
stress to your life -- and stress isn't good for your health. If there is a
problem (which there obviously is) being cool, systematic and rational
should be the best way to solve it.

PG Music has nothing to do with this list so that effort was wasted. All
you have done is taken a technicians time on a problem he has no way to solve.

On the bottom of each letter from this group there are subscribe and
unsubscribe messages.

Have you tried sending an e-mail message to the following e-mail address?

Band-in-a-Box-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

The above would be my first attempt to get off the list. If you have more
than one e-mail account, be sure to use the same e-mail address that the
posts from this group are sent to. If they are coming to more than one
e-mail address, you might have to do this for each e-mail address that you
are getting Band-in-a-Box posts.

If you have done the above, and if Mr. Birch's attempt to get you off the
list hasn't worked, then there is obviously a technical problem.

Mr. Birch was very factual with his assessment, this group is set up so you
cannot receive mail or post to this group without subscribing to it. If you
did not subscribe to the group, someone else may have done so in your name.
This is not to say that they did, but it is a possibility. Another
possibility I suspect is with Yahoo software. I suspect that you could have
done something else with Yahoo and a computer glitch might have sent you here.

I cannot speak for the rest, but I am here because I want to be here. I
subscribed because I like to talk about Band-in-a-Box. If I get tired of
the group, I'll unsubscribe (and hopefully won't have as much trouble as
you are having).

Contacting Yahoo groups is a good move, but it has been my experience that
the technical staff will usually respond quicker if you are polite. There
is an old proverb that applies here "You can catch more flies with honey
than with vinegar." And they will be able to help you quicker if you
include as much information as you can to help them help you (include a
copy of the letters you cannot unsubscribe to).

It has also been my experience that when something out of the ordinary
happens in the computer, it takes time to figure it out. The tech
departments are usually under staffed and they have a lot of pressure on
them. They didn't write the software so it can be looking for a needle in a
hay stack. Patience is a good thing here as long as you know they are
indeed working on your problem.

We don't want you on the group if you don't want to be here but we welcome
your presence if you want to be here. We are not here to spam you. We are
here to discuss Band-in-a-Box. I am very sure that Mr. Birch is trying to
help you.

I do sympathize with your problem, I get too much unwanted mail in my
mailbox and at times it has the power to irritate me. When it does, I
remember it isn't worth getting excited about (I don't want to give the
spammers the power to control *my* emotions) and simply hit the Delete key
as many times as it takes to trash them all.

Keep your cool and Mr. Birch (who started this group) should either be able
to help, or know who to contact for help.

And good luck. Once again, I know that these sort of things can be very
frustrating, but they are not worth impairing your health for. Patience,
persistence and perseverance should pay off in the long run.


- - - - - - - - -
Bob "Notes" Norton
owner, Norton Music
norton@nortonmusic.com
http://www.nortonmusic.com

Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


Re: unwanted mail / lies from PG Music

Greg Wilson <gvwilson@...>
 

I sent mail again this morning telling PG Music that I didn't
subscribe to this list. Mr. Birch's attempt to shuffle blame
by suggesting that someone might be masquerading as me is a
transparent attempt to duck blame, and I'm *still* getting
messages that I don't want via this list. I've contacted
Yahoo Groups about this abuse, and would encourage everyone
else who's getting unwanted mail to do the same.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alisdair MacRae Birch [mailto:alisdair@alisdair.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:39 AM
To: Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Band-in-a-Box] Re: Styles and Macs


Greg

It's not possible to get on this list without subscribing. Therefore
somewhere on 2/12/2001 you or someone with access to your details
subscribed you. I have removed you as requested. Please check to see
if someone is masquerading as you with access to your details.

---alisdair

--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., Greg Wilson <gvwilson@i...> wrote:
I didn't subscribe to this list, would someone please take me off
it?
(This is the fourth time I've asked.)

Firstly, thx for all the songs people have uploaded
songs. Just amazing.

My qestion... I've tried loading the styles on my mac
[OS 9, Biab v8] but it sees them as PC files. Why
would it see the songs as Biab files and not the
styles and how could I make the styles work on my mac?

-Dave

=====
My on-line photo albums can be viewed at:
http://uk.briefcase.yahoo.com/honking_dave

This address (honking_dave@y...) is my web-based means of
picking up home e-mails (dave_shannon@l...) at work
(david_shannon@i...). All three work (so if you just hit 'reply' it
doesn't matter) but home is best.

____________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk
or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie


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Greg


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New poll for Band-in-a-Box reply to RICHARD WHITEHOUSE

vstguy@...
 

From: Richard Whitehouse <rsw@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 13, 2001 1:16pm
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] New poll for Band-in-a-Box

>To vote, please visit the following web page:
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Band-in-a-Box/polls

I went there and tried to vote, but the site wanted me to "join". What is
with this current mania for making people join web pages all over the
place? I have way too many usernames and passwords to keep track of allready.

My policy is, if the site wants me to 'sign up', or 'join', I'm gone.

Richard


I agree with you Richard.

A very easy work around to this current policy to sign up or join by using a very obnoxious username.
phony address and fictitious "personal" information plus the same password at all those sites. The
computers at the sign sites are not very smart at verifying fictious from real information.

We all know that these sign in sites are simply to attact visits and hopefully sell some advertising.