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Re: Style changes?

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 12:09 AM 2/20/01 -0800, "Robert Pickett" <robert871@home.com> wrote:

I am using BiaB 10, and the instructions are very clear about how you can
change styles at any measure in a chorus, but how do you change styles for
the middle choruses?

For example, If I want one style for chorus 1, another style for chorus 2,
etc. how do I do that? (Currently, I am making one MIDI file for each style,
and converting in Cakewalk, but there must be an easier way?)

Here is one way, there may be others:

Instead of repeating the chorus, write the song in BiaB without using repeats
(assuming your song in no longer than 255 bars). That way you can assign each
chorus a different style.

I try to avoid using repeats in BiaB. It is easy to copy Ctrl+C and paste
Ctrl+P sections of music in BiaB (like most windows programs). This gives me
more control over the song and I can change the style, tempo, etc.


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Style maker intro

Peter
 

Is there an option in stylemaker (V9.0)to make a intro style thats
sound different than the A or B bars ?
I want to make 4 or 8 bars intro's whit different sound.(in the same
style)
Can someone help my with this ?

Peter.


Band in a Box project update

Andrew Black <willboone@...>
 

I want to thank all of you for visiting this infant,
very basic site.

i wish i could make it look a little more snappy, but
as ive told at least one of you, im a knuckle dragging
imbecile when it comes to webpage design. so if any
of you are web designers and wanna donate some
time....... heh.

anyhow. i have been made aware that one of the links
to jazz standards 2 is not working. this will be
fixed soon, like by Thursday. also by then, i hope to
have a message board specifically directed to Band in
a box!! im just waiting for the application to go
through. I wanted to get the same one as is used ont
he sax on the web forum ( www.geocities.com/harrir )
but they are no longer taking new boards. oh well,
this one, honestly, impresses me more and should be an
excellent addition to the online band in a box
community in specific and the jazz community in
general.


i have some other fake books that will be going up
soon. these are others that i ve collected from the
web. i wish i knew who made them so i can give them
credit.

also, some NEW sequences will be made available very
soon ont he page. i have a few that i personally have
done, and i will put them up when i have finished
enough to feel like it is a collection. id say in a
week or so.

As always, ill make any new additions to the site
known here until it The BiaB project catches on.


heh.. one more thing. if ANY of you have files that
you would like to submit, they are welcome. zip them
up, and send them to me at:

drewblack@alltel.net

you will be recognized there for your hard work.
believe me.

peace and happy playing,

andrew



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about melodies and biab

Andrew Black <willboone@...>
 

well, i am of the opinion that in order to truely
study a song, you must first master the melody.
structured improvisation is very much centered around
the melody. therefor, unless you already have that
melody memorized, it is quite necessary.

but i also understand that musicians deserve to be
paid for their work.

that is why i advocate a free distribution of files
with melodies with the explicit understanding that it
is STRICTLY for educational reasons. Meaning, if you
are gonna perform these songs, either at an open mic,
recital, or with your combo, you MUST BUY THE MUSIC.

im not typing this with the *wink wink, nudge nudge*
infliction at all. im completely serious. When i was
in High school, all of our district and allstate
pieces were copyed from the Ferling book (im a sax
player) under the explicit instructions that they
would be destroyed after the audition was over. I
believe the same thing with the fakebooks with
melodies on my page. After you are done working on
these songs, delete them or buy the fakebook.

im going to put links on my page of a few places you
can go to purchase most of these songs.

the biab project webpage is:

www.geocities.com/thebiabproject


peace

andrew

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Re: Style changes?

David Bailey <dhbailey@...>
 

Robert Pickett wrote:

I am using BiaB 10, and the instructions are very clear about how you
can change styles at any measure in a chorus, but how do you change
styles for the middle choruses?

For example, If I want one style for chorus 1, another style for
chorus 2, etc. how do I do that? (Currently, I am making one MIDI file
for each style, and converting in Cakewalk, but there must be an
easier way?)
The easy way is to convert the BIAB song into one long chorus, so if you
are asking for three choruses, simply copy the song two more times, so
that rather than one 32-bar chorus which gets played 3 times, you will
have one 96-bar song, which gets played once. Be sure to change the
ending bar number.

Then you can use the F5 key to change the style for any of the choruses.


--
David H. Bailey
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Re: Style changes?

Steve Peacock
 

I am using BiaB 10, and the instructions are very clear about how you can change styles at any measure in a chorus, but how do you change styles for the middle choruses?<<<

Unfortunately, I don't have BIAB on this machine, so I can't experiment.

The "hard way" might be to convert the whole song to one chorus (there is a menu item to convert the song into this format, expanding all the chrouses into one long song). You can then make style changes as appropriate.

That's got to be easier than exporting to another program.

Regards
Steve





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Style changes?

Robert Pickett <robert871@...>
 

I am using BiaB 10, and the instructions are very clear about how you can change styles at any measure in a chorus, but how do you change styles for the middle choruses?
 
For example, If I want one style for chorus 1, another style for chorus 2, etc. how do I do that? (Currently, I am making one MIDI file for each style, and converting in Cakewalk, but there must be an easier way?)
 
Thanks in advance for any help
 
Bob P.


Re: FAKE BOOK (Norton)

Kenny Danielson <kendan@...>
 

Bob is quite correct, again.

Julie Andrews sang some "jazz" tunes in a trial balloon disk. Someone
must have told her that jazz is sung slightly behind the beat because she
was continually so late I thought the band would be packed up and gone
by the time she finished. The formula didn't work. Timing without
feeling sounds like a piano roll. This stuff can't be written - the lead
sheet is like abbreviated notes for a speaker.

Kenny

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From: "Bob 'Notes' Norton" <norton@nortonmusic.com>
To: <Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Re: FAKE BOOK (Norton)


At 07:29 PM 2/19/01 -0800, "Tom Speer" <rrcp@QNET.COM> wrote:

I'm not in the least concerned about the melody (well most melodies
anyway)
as I have played virtually every (so called) standard Iat some time or
another, I just want the ACCOMPANIMENT so I dont have to program it
myself.
If I dont remember the melody right off ,the chord changes will usually
bring it back.
Then you would like my Band-in-a-Box fake disks.

It has been my experience that most modern pop music melodies are not
played exactly as notated anyway. It would be practically impossible or at
least very difficult to read an exact transcription of the rhythm and
melodic ornaments a lead singer or instrumentalist plays. Quite often, the
note played is between the dots on the paper. If you are familiar with the
way the song was played, the melody line in a fake book or on the sheet
music is enough to guide you along with the help of your memory.


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Re: FAKE BOOK (Norton)

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 07:29 PM 2/19/01 -0800, "Tom Speer" <rrcp@QNET.COM> wrote:

I'm not in the least concerned about the melody (well most melodies anyway)
as I have played virtually every (so called) standard Iat some time or
another, I just want the ACCOMPANIMENT so I dont have to program it
myself.
If I dont remember the melody right off ,the chord changes will usually
bring it back.
Then you would like my Band-in-a-Box fake disks.

It has been my experience that most modern pop music melodies are not
played exactly as notated anyway. It would be practically impossible or at
least very difficult to read an exact transcription of the rhythm and
melodic ornaments a lead singer or instrumentalist plays. Quite often, the
note played is between the dots on the paper. If you are familiar with the
way the song was played, the melody line in a fake book or on the sheet
music is enough to guide you along with the help of your memory.


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http://www.nortonmusic.com

Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


Re: FAKE BOOK (Norton)

Tom Speer <rrcp@...>
 

Melodies are copyrightable, chord progressions and titles aren't.


Anyway, isn't Band-in-a-Box primarily an ACCOMPANIMENT tool? Isn't it
our job to provide the melody? At least that's how I use it, so fake
book disks with melodies wouldn't off me any attraction.




Tom Speer replies:
I'm not in the least concerned about the melody (well most melodies anyway)
as I have played virtually every (so called) standard Iat some time or
another, I just want the ACCOMPANIMENT so I dont have to program it
myself.
If I dont remember the melody right off ,the chord changes will usually
bring it back.

Thanks
Tom


the Band ina box project webpage open for all

Andrew Black <willboone@...>
 

Hi all.

i have put all the fakebooks i have up at the
following page.

www.geocities.com/thebiabproject

please take the time to read the purpose and
disclaimer. the message board is not up yet, and i
have not links as of now. but taht will change soon.

if you want me to link to your biab page, let me know
by emailing me at drewblack@alltel.net i look forward
to your feedback. i think we could do some fabulous
things for the community together.

peace.

andrew


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New sequence available for download.

DPRICE8292@...
 

My new sequence of "In The Mood" is now available for download.
It can be found in the "Files" section in the "DavesSeq" folder.
The file Inthmood.zip contains both .MGU & .MID formats.
I used BB10 & PT7 to create it. I hope you enjoy it.
Dave Price<
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Re: ?Question?

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 06:49 PM 2/17/01 -0500, David Bailey <dhbailey@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
I think you and I agree probably most of the way on this issue, and as
co-dictators we could rewrite the copyright laws to make them fair to
EVERYBODY and not just the big corporations like Hal Leonard, Warner
Brothers, Sony, Bertelsmann, and Disney, then we could abdicate.
And perhaps we could skim a little off the top for ourselves ;-)

But I do like to play devil's advocate to make sure people think about
all the sides of these issues.
And as a practitioner of that school of thought myself, I do appreciate the
"other side of the coin" and it's contribution to a heathy debate very much.



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PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
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Re: ?Question?

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 09:54 AM 2/17/01 -0800, "Kenny Danielson" <kendan@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
OK. That does it! Norton for Congress next election. We definitely
need some reason and logic in Washington. Get yourself ready Bob,
and try not to do anything unseemly in the meantime (on second thought,
that may even help and not hinder a political career).
To prepare for public office I guess I should start by:
(1) soliciting bribes -- oops! -- I mean campaign contributions
(2) soliciting babes -- although I am happily married and faithful, I know
that a proper public image won't tolerate anybody that conservative -- but
I will not take up the cigar habit -- a new leader needs some creativity,
you know -- I hope my wife, Leilani, will understand. -- And after we are
done she will have enough public sympathy to be elected to office -- even
if we both have some kind of ____gate in our past and make millions of
dollars illegally at the expense of the American taxpayers.
(3) soliciting allies -- change my party affiliation -- I am an independent
who usually votes for the person rather than the party, that will never do
-- if the Libertarians and Greenies can't make it, any third party is
doomed. There are too many people who just vote their registered party
(what a pity)
(4) soliciting alibis -- I'll need false witnesses for everything -- I'm
already practicing by repeating the phrase "I am not a crook" with a
straight face
(5) soliciting international allies -- all non US people can start by
depositing millions of dollars in my soon to be opened Cayman Islands bank
account
(6) soliciting national friends -- all US citizens can start by sending by
big bucks to either my campaign fund or that aforementioned Cayman Islands
account (the Caymans are much warmer in the winter that Switzerland)
(7) soliciting personal protection and connections -- don't worry, on my
way out you won't have to beg my pardon, I'll offer it freely
(8) reinstate the "butterfly ballot" in all states and rig the computer
software to send all hanging chads, pregnant chads, double votes, and other
ambiguities to me
(9) The list can go on and on but I think I've wasted enough bandwidth.

And of course, do this all in the name of Truth, Justice, and the American Way

Oh, and AFTER I get all the above perks, I am practicing my final statement

"If nominated, I will not run, if elected, I will not serve."

;-)



Bob "Notes" Norton
norton@nortonmusic.com
http://www.nortonmusic.com


Re: everyone who is asking for my fakebook

Andrew Black <willboone@...>
 

well, as i understand it, as long as im not using it
for profit, its cool. becides, i didnt make any of
these. i got them from other websites i found after
day upon day of searching.

i dont know about you guys.. but i never bought into
that whole "poor poor artist" thing the riaa was
pushing. and near as i can tell, the deal that
napster is getting form BMG is to have a subscription
fee paid to the recording company. not to artists.
and screw production companies. when CDs first came
out they wre 17 bucks. the riaa said they would lower
the price when the CD format became more popular.
well, guess how much a CD costs these days? 17 bucks.
screw the Riaa.:)

have a nice day.



--- David Bailey <dhbailey@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Be wary of posting on the web song files which
include melodies -- many
of the copyright holders (many of which have
licensed their copyrights
to major corporations such as Hal Leonard or Warner
Brothers) regularly
search the web for unlicensed use of their
copyrighted materials.

At the least you will be ordered to cease and desist
if they find your
site, and at the worst they can go after you for
copyright infringement
(Napster should make us all wary). If they find
wilfull infringement of
copyright, the fine can run as high as $10,000 PER
INCIDENT (that means
per song).

And althought the law does not stipulate this, court
cases (precedent)
have shown that if a copyright holder does not
aggressively protect that
copyright, decisions in their favor result in
smaller settlements.

For those who wish to acquaint themselves better
with the actual facts
of the copyright law here is the URL for the
copyright office:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/

Don't accept ANY of the copyright advice you get
from a list such as
this one as valid legal advice. When in doubt
consult a copyright
lawyer, or at least read the copyright law. There
are many other
web-sites which offer advice about copyright law.
This one outlines
what are calle "Fair Use" guidelines (when you can
use copyrighted
materials without paying royalties or violating the
law):

http://www.utsystem.edu/ogc/intellectualproperty/copypol2.htm

Some other sites where you can find information is:

http://www.musiclibraryassoc.org/Copyright/copyhome.htm

http://www.mpa.org/



Andrew Black wrote:

i should have realised how many of you would ask.

ive got lots that ive found, and some ive made,
most
all with melodies. i tell you what.. im just
going to
put them up on a webpage. ill do it in a week and
post the url in the list. heh.. i cant possibly
keep
up with all the requests.

peace

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Re: FAKE BOOK

David Bailey <dhbailey@...>
 

This raises the interesting issue: the Hal Leonard books make no
pretense about being off-the-record transcriptions. It would be
interesting to see the original manuscript of songs such as Song For My
Father, to see what Horace Silver originally wrote and then how much he
changed when he recorded it.

The difference between Sher's books and Hal Leonard's is that you get
more songs per dollar with Hal Leonard. You get more accuracy per
dollar with Chuck Sher. You pays your money and you takes your chances.

But then who plays the written notes and changes anyway?



heathw@in-tch.com wrote:


I would like to comment about the Hal Leonard fake books. I do not
personally use them because they are filled with harmonic, melodic, and
rhythmic errors. Using Horace Silver's Song For My Father as an example,
I would challenge anyone to play it (without hearing it first) from the
Hal Leonard fake books. The melody is not even close to the recorded
version and the chords (to my ear) are wrong. Most of the songs in the
book have chords that are incorrect. I am a reseller for Hal Leonard
products and I think that many of their products are great but their
Jazz fake books are terrible. The Sher Music Real Books are much better
and cost about the same. Sher's are more readable and the songs are more
correct, when compared to the recorded versions.
Heath

David Bailey wrote:

Hal Leonard publishes many wonderful fake books, many of which Bob
Norton has put together BIAB accompaniment disks to go along with.

Such books as the Ultimate Jazz Fake Book, the Real Jazz Book,

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Re: ?Question?

David Bailey <dhbailey@...>
 

Bob 'Notes' Norton wrote:
[snip]
Once again, I agree with that part of the law.

If I were "dictator of the USA", I would modify them a little (but please,
don't nominate me for the job, I don't want it).
[snip]

You and me, too! I don't like all the aspects of the copyright laws
myself, I just wanted to present the other side of the coin.

While I do appreciate the royalties I get (meager, but fun to go out to
dinner a couple of times on) I receive each year for my published music,
I, too, don't think 75 years post mortem is a good time. I really feel
the old 28 years with a single 28 year renewal is a goodly amount of
time for something to be copyrighted.

But it did make me think when I heard Eubie Blake being interviewed on
the radio shortly before he died and he said "You know you're getting
old when some of your songs have passed into the public domain!" This
was before the 1978 revision of the copyright laws.

I think you and I agree probably most of the way on this issue, and as
co-dictators we could rewrite the copyright laws to make them fair to
EVERYBODY and not just the big corporations like Hal Leonard, Warner
Brothers, Sony, Bertelsmann, and Disney, then we could abdicate.

But I do like to play devil's advocate to make sure people think about
all the sides of these issues.

Peace,
David



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Re: FAKE BOOK

heathw@...
 

I would like to comment about the Hal Leonard fake books. I do not
personally use them because they are filled with harmonic, melodic, and
rhythmic errors. Using Horace Silver's Song For My Father as an example,
I would challenge anyone to play it (without hearing it first) from the
Hal Leonard fake books. The melody is not even close to the recorded
version and the chords (to my ear) are wrong. Most of the songs in the
book have chords that are incorrect. I am a reseller for Hal Leonard
products and I think that many of their products are great but their
Jazz fake books are terrible. The Sher Music Real Books are much better
and cost about the same. Sher's are more readable and the songs are more
correct, when compared to the recorded versions.
Heath

David Bailey wrote:


Hal Leonard publishes many wonderful fake books, many of which Bob
Norton has put together BIAB accompaniment disks to go along with.

Such books as the Ultimate Jazz Fake Book, the Real Jazz Book,


Re: ?Question?

Kenny Danielson <kendan@...>
 

OK. That does it! Norton for Congress next election. We definitely
need some reason and logic in Washington. Get yourself ready Bob,
and try not to do anything unseemly in the meantime (on second thought,
that may even help and not hinder a political career).

Kenny

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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] ?Question?


I am not too sure about that. Most patents expire after about 17 years. I
could legally produce an exact replica of a Selmer Mark VI saxophone and
Selmer couldn't do a thing about it. (Of course, the problem would be
making it cost effective at todays prices of materials, even Selmer cannot
do that.)

I suspect that if I reverse engineered the original Coca Cola formula, I
would be free to use it.

I could not use the Coca Cola or the Selmer name, they are trade marks,
and
that comes under a different law.

The Bayer company once held the patent on aspirin, Edison held the patent
on the phonograph, RCA held the patent on the US system of color TV, etc.

etc, etc, etc .....................................................


Re: everyone who is asking for my fakebook

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 08:48 AM 2/17/01 -0500, David Bailey <dhbailey@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

Don't accept ANY of the copyright advice you get from a list such as
this one as valid legal advice.
DEFINITELY. Great advice.

And extend that to any legal advice of any kind. Although the people on the
list probably mean well, only a legal professional can be trusted to
interpret the laws properly. The laws are usually complicated and it takes
a professional to interpret them -- (sometimes I suspect that when lawyers
are elected to office, they make the laws ambiguous to insure themselves
work when they are no longer in office <grin -- just kidding>)

That includes my own posts. I try to make it clear that what I post about
any legal issue is only my opinion, not legal fact. I would never try to
deceive the members of the list, but I can misinterpret the laws and the
advice I receive from my own attorney.


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owner, Norton Music
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http://www.nortonmusic.com

Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.