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Re: FAKE BOOK (Norton)

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 04:03 PM 2/16/01 +0000, dan@danadler.com wrote:
Bob,

Do your fake books have melody as well as changes? If so, I'm a buyer!
Sorry, Dan. They do not. Copyright restrictions. I applied but they wanted
from $1.00 to $5.00 *per song* to include the melody and lyrics. ASCAP and
BMI were afraid the people would print them out and that would hurt their
sheet music sales.

What I have done as a compromise is to offer optional printed fake books
that contain the same songs as the fake disks. That way you can open the
book and play along with the BiaB disk.


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owner, Norton Music
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Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


Re: FAKE BOOK (Norton)

Robert Pickett <robert871@...>
 

You are correct. But I think it goes further. I use BiaB to practice
jaming, and I bring up chord progressions not knowing the song name or key.
Good practice, and I sometimes end up writing a new melody for an old chord
progression, as do many composers. However, that being said, I like Notes
Nortons fake book, where he titled each selection in a way to give you a
clue as to what the chord progression might relate to, such as (perhaps)
When Sonny Gets Pink, (instead of When Sunny Gets Blue), etc.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bailey" <dhbailey@ix.netcom.com>
To: <Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Re: FAKE BOOK (Norton)


Melodies are copyrightable, chord progressions and titles aren't.

In order to create fake books for commercial sale WITH melodies, the
cost of each disk would become VERY expensive, and it might be very
likely that some of the copyright holders would withhold their
permission and Bob would be without some of the songs that are in the
print books, rendering his fake book disks less desirable.

Anyway, isn't Band-in-a-Box primarily an ACCOMPANIMENT tool? Isn't it
our job to provide the melody? At least that's how I use it, so fake
book disks with melodies wouldn't off me any attraction.



dan@danadler.com wrote:

Bob,

Do your fake books have melody as well as changes? If so, I'm a buyer!

Too bad there are no samples on your web site.

-Dan


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Re: FAKE BOOK (Norton)

David Bailey <dhbailey@...>
 

Melodies are copyrightable, chord progressions and titles aren't.

In order to create fake books for commercial sale WITH melodies, the
cost of each disk would become VERY expensive, and it might be very
likely that some of the copyright holders would withhold their
permission and Bob would be without some of the songs that are in the
print books, rendering his fake book disks less desirable.

Anyway, isn't Band-in-a-Box primarily an ACCOMPANIMENT tool? Isn't it
our job to provide the melody? At least that's how I use it, so fake
book disks with melodies wouldn't off me any attraction.



dan@danadler.com wrote:


Bob,

Do your fake books have melody as well as changes? If so, I'm a buyer!

Too bad there are no samples on your web site.

-Dan


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Styles and Macs/This is how to change those PC style files to Mac files

vstguy@...
 

No offence meant here to your response Bob.

My message was in referrence to changing "some" of those "style" files that are created with the PC
versions of Band in a Box which the Mac Band in a Box can't for some Mac reason see.

By simply changing the file type and file creator on those PC Style files the Mac Band in a Box application
programme can now read those Style files.


DOS is DOS and Apple is Apple, and I do not say this to create a platform war. It has been my experience
that both platforms are great providing you have enough money to buy into the high end of each
platform. Mac's come fully equiped to do high end graphics and audio recording/playback whereas PC's
have to be custom built to provide high end graphics and audio. Personally I have found that a high end
Mac will cost as much as a high end PC. Since not too many people or businesses are doing high end
graphics or midi/audio then a low cost DOS machine is good enough.



As you are fully aware that because Band in a Box was originally a DOS programme ported over to the
MAC we in the MAC world must on the very rare occassion do some corrections to those DOS Style files.
No big deal for us Macboxers. In fact there are many freebe application/programmes that can do that
job.

When it comes to midi files created on other platforms, midi is midi and they can be played with any Mac
midi player thanks again to the Mac OperatingSystem and of course the same goes for the PC midi
player.


Re: FAKE BOOK (Norton)

Dan Adler
 

Bob,

Do your fake books have melody as well as changes? If so, I'm a buyer!

Too bad there are no samples on your web site.

-Dan


Re: Digest Number 26

Susan Tucker <novice@...>
 

Hi Steven,

I think we're basically in agreement. I've got a couple of thoughts and
questions, below.


First, making a key change is not even just a notation issue and as an
auto-accompaniment tool, modulating keys should be very necessary.
More than a notation issue? That's a new idea to me.

So ... lots of jazz tunes modulate, but generally the fake books I've
seen don't change the key signature; they just write in the appropriate
chords and accidentals. Is this a problem, too, do you think? What
tunes were you working with?

when you add in the other capabilities like melodist and soloist, it is
one thing to generate notes based on the chords (which I assume that it
does) but it sounds kind of funny when the key doesn't change to reflect
the modulation.
I think those capabilities are based strictly on the chords and ignore
the key signature anyway. Have you found behavior that you believe to
be a counter-example? In the settings for these capabilities (soloist,
anyway, not sure about melodist), there is a parameter for how IN or OUT
the solo will be. IN means very close agreement with chord symbols.

If you get further into the specifics of this and want to share some
files and discuss specifics, I'd be interested.

Second, since music is fundamentally tied to "time", if you can't
control the time element of a melody line that you enter with basic
elements like rests, ties, dots, etc. (and I'm not talking about codas,
repeat endings, tacets, etc. and various other time related features)
then it renders the program from this standpoint virtually unusable.
Yeah, I know and agree. It stops short of making really good lead
sheets, even without the fancy stuff. I HAVE found it possible to
control the gross features of the timing melodically to the point of
making BIAB an acceptable practice tool.

So if I understand correctly, then the most accurate way to do this, is
to create a melody line (exactly) in a notation program. Then export
that to BIAB where you add the chords (and lyrics if you like, but I
haven't gotten to that point yet). From there you should have a somewhat
useful compilation closely resembling the original song, assuming you
can find a decent style to make it sound real. Then finally, if you
want to use this song and print out lead sheets, you need to take this
back into a notation program again, to clean it all up so that the band
members can follow it.
Awful, ain't it? Personally, I wouldn't go all the way through this
process unless I was highly motivated!

Tell us about your band (instrumentation, repertoire). Would you really
have a pianist reading a piano accompaniment, rather than playing off
the chord symbols?

I guess the bottom line is that if you bought the program primarily as a
practice tool you will probably be happy. If you mainly wanted to make
lead sheets, you probably won't.

Susan


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 09:08 AM 2/16/01 +0000, jonathanreed@lycos.com wrote:

By the way, Bob (Norton) if PG Music ran their business like you run
yours they would go up a peg or two on my rating scale. I purchased a
few styles a few years back and sent a few people your way also.
Everyone always had good things to say about dealing with you and you
have always been quick to respond.
Thanks. That is good to hear and it was very kind of you to post it.

I try my best. I figure the best way to run a business is to think like a
customer.

And I won't abandon the Mac users unless they abandon me ;-)


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Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


Re: FAKE BOOK

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 10:00 PM 2/15/01 -0800, you wrote:
i have literally an ASSLOAD of biab fakebooks. ill
send you some if youwant. all user made. even a few
i made myself.

peace
I'd like some myself. Thanks.


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owner, Norton Music
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Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


Re: FAKE BOOK

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 09:46 AM 2/15/01 -0800, you wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now including V-10 (with the mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake book,but I have never been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even adequate in the BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd songs.(no offense intended)
Am I missing something ????
Nope, PG prefers to use public domain songs so they don't have to pay
copyright fees.

I was thinking about the fake books like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like Misty etc ,and contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Not asking too much at all, just asking the wrong vendor.

Check out http://www.nortonmusic.com/fake.html

Then click the links at the bottom of the page for the 20 different fake
disks I offer. On the bottom of each individual page you will find a
complete listing of all the songs on that disk.


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Bob "Notes" Norton
owner, Norton Music
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http://www.nortonmusic.com

Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


Re: Styles and Macs/This is how to change those PC style files to Mac files

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 02:41 PM 2/15/01 +0000, you wrote:

I have often wondered why those PG guys have never provided a drag/drop
file type/creator changer for
Mac users.
There *is* a program that allows PC users to read and write Mac files (I
think it is called DataVis or something close).

The problem is that the percentage of Mac users are so small, most PC users
don't have a real need for it.

On the other hand, the Mac users do have a definite need for a conversion
program, which is why Apple introduced Apple File Exchange so many years
ago, and have evolved it into PC Exchange.

I have a Mac and a PC and when I need to exchange files, I use PC Exchange
on the Mac. There is no need for me to buy the other product. Most Mac
users have Apple File Exchange or later, so the PC user doesn't have to
have the reciprocal program.

Back when I needed both Apple File Exchange and Norton Utilities to convert
each file on an individual basis, I really dreaded making that exchange and
wrote several letters to Apple telling them to go with the flow. They
remained unanswered. PC Exchange is much better, do it once and it happens
automatically the next time, so I guess even though I did not get an
answer, they were working on the problem.

The Mac header information (Type and Creator) are Mac only devices. I
believe I can take a MIDI file made from an Atari, PC, Linux and a dozen or
so other kinds of computers, post them on the web, download and play with
no problem on everything but the Mac. The Mac insists on being different,
so unfortunately, the Mac users have to pay the price.

It is my opinion that the Mac should change their file system and get rid
of the type and creator and adopt the three letter extension of the PC. I
think Apple wasn't so stubborn and went with what has become the standard
file system of the industry, they would sell more computers. But I am on
the outside looking in and perhaps there is a lot that is not apparent to me.


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Bob "Notes" Norton
owner, Norton Music
norton@nortonmusic.com
http://www.nortonmusic.com

Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
the web ... a few jokes to brighten your day ... and more.


Saving Instruments

spalo@...
 

Friends,

Can anybody give me an idiots guide to saving the wider range of
patches from the Virual Sound Canvas (ie Bass Guitar with Chorus)on
to my Biab songs? I've read the manual and the PG Music FAQ's, but it
makes no sense to me.

I'm not an idiot, but I sure as hell feel like one at the moment.

Any help would be most gratefully received.

(I'm using on Biab Version 9)

Dennis


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

jonathanreed@...
 

Hi all its me again.

I was going to answer the Reed rant but Norton did it quite
expertly.>

All I can say is its just my opinion and as a "customer" all I really
want is for my "supplier" to communicate their intentions to me!
That's why I always register when I purchase a product. How much
trouble would it have been for PG music to send out an email to all
registered users? They didn't send any notice until we (mac users)
kept posting on their site. Then they answered with a "its in the
works". A lack of communication like this is one of the main reasons
your customer base will decline, after all we are talking about
over two years here. They (your customer) simply will go somewhere
else.

I agree its not a PC Vs Mac thing and I never intended it to be other
then to give the example of how a "customer" feels when there is no
communication at all from his "supplier".

BAIB 8 will serve me perfectly well for what I need it for and it will
be the last version I will buy however if by chance I do purchase a
newer version (which is unlikely but you never should say never) it
would be the PC version and I will run it under my "Softwindows 95"
which is how I run Acid Pro now.

You all have expressed your opinions very well and I respect them.

By the way, Bob (Norton) if PG Music ran their business like you run
yours they would go up a peg or two on my rating scale. I purchased a
few styles a few years back and sent a few people your way also.
Everyone always had good things to say about dealing with you and you
have always been quick to respond.

After all is said and done its all about making music and how many
little things added to a program sometimes just get in the way of
creativity.

Time to go back to work. :-)

Thanks,

Jon


Re: FAKE BOOK

Peter Amey <pna@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Speer [mailto:rrcp@QNET.COM]
Sent: 15 February 2001 17:46
To: Band-In-A-Box
Subject: [Band-in-a-Box] FAKE BOOK


I have used BB for several versions now including V-10 (with
the mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake book,but I have
never been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even adequate in the BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd songs.(no offense intended)
Am I missing something ????,
I don't think you are. One of the main reasons I upgraded to the MegaPak
was the promise of the "jazz fake book" material. I could never find it
either and protracted correspondence with PG Music never resolved the issue.
However, there are lots of jazz standards in BIAB format about on the web if
you have a look for them.

Peter

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Re: FAKE BOOK

Darryl Roseberg <darryl1@...>
 

Would it be possible to send me some biab fake books.
Darryl Roseberg
Australia.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Black" <willboone@yahoo.com>
To: <Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Re: FAKE BOOK


i have literally an ASSLOAD of biab fakebooks. ill
send you some if youwant. all user made. even a few
i made myself.

peace

--- francis.r@worldnet.att.net wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., DPRICE8292@A... wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., "Tom Speer" <rrcp@Q...>
wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now
including V-10 (with the
mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake
book,but I have never
been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even
adequate in the
BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd
songs.(no offense
intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about
the fake books
like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like
Misty etc ,and
contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@q...
Tom,
I think the thing that your missing is the fact
that BGFAKE is the
BlueGrass FAKE book.
Thanks,
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
dprice8292@a...
From speaking with earlier users of BIAB, there was
once a fakebook
with some standards, but probably because of
copyright reasons it is
no more. However, the files have a pretty good
fakebook at least for
jazz. Even the old version I have of the New Orleans
Piano book has
some standards that is not in the newer version.
Bob F.



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Re: FAKE BOOK

heathw@...
 

I would certainly like more fakebooks, especially if you have Jazz
standards in them (Monk, Miles, Coltrane, Mingus, Ellington, Dorham,
McLean, etc). Can you email them to me or do you need my snail mail
address?
Thanks,
Heath

Andrew Black wrote:


i have literally an ASSLOAD of biab fakebooks. ill
send you some if youwant. all user made. even a few
i made myself.

peace

--- francis.r@worldnet.att.net wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., DPRICE8292@A... wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., "Tom Speer" <rrcp@Q...>
wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now
including V-10 (with the
mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake
book,but I have never
been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even
adequate in the
BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd
songs.(no offense
intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about
the fake books
like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like
Misty etc ,and
contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@q...
Tom,
I think the thing that your missing is the fact
that BGFAKE is the
BlueGrass FAKE book.
Thanks,
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
dprice8292@a...
From speaking with earlier users of BIAB, there was
once a fakebook
with some standards, but probably because of
copyright reasons it is
no more. However, the files have a pretty good
fakebook at least for
jazz. Even the old version I have of the New Orleans
Piano book has
some standards that is not in the newer version.
Bob F.


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Re: FAKE BOOK

Andrew Black <willboone@...>
 

i have literally an ASSLOAD of biab fakebooks. ill
send you some if youwant. all user made. even a few
i made myself.

peace

--- francis.r@worldnet.att.net wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., DPRICE8292@A... wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., "Tom Speer" <rrcp@Q...>
wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now
including V-10 (with the
mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake
book,but I have never
been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even
adequate in the
BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd
songs.(no offense
intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about
the fake books
like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like
Misty etc ,and
contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@q...
Tom,
I think the thing that your missing is the fact
that BGFAKE is the
BlueGrass FAKE book.
Thanks,
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
dprice8292@a...
From speaking with earlier users of BIAB, there was
once a fakebook
with some standards, but probably because of
copyright reasons it is
no more. However, the files have a pretty good
fakebook at least for
jazz. Even the old version I have of the New Orleans
Piano book has
some standards that is not in the newer version.
Bob F.



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Re: FAKE BOOK

ned_francis
 

--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., DPRICE8292@A... wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., "Tom Speer" <rrcp@Q...> wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now including V-10 (with the
mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake book,but I have never
been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even adequate in the
BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd songs.(no offense
intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about the fake books
like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like Misty etc ,and
contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@q...
Tom,
I think the thing that your missing is the fact that BGFAKE is the
BlueGrass FAKE book.
Thanks,
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
dprice8292@a...
From speaking with earlier users of BIAB, there was once a fakebook
with some standards, but probably because of copyright reasons it is
no more. However, the files have a pretty good fakebook at least for
jazz. Even the old version I have of the New Orleans Piano book has
some standards that is not in the newer version.
Bob F.


BIB corrupting Gigastudio samples

Dana Harden <golgonooza@...>
 

I need help setting up Band in a box 10 to play Mirislav & AOsamples i Giga Studio 160. It seems to have transposed them, as well as stretched them beyond their lower range, thus cutting off the higher notes. Also, it will only call up the AO tuba, but not the Trump, F Horn Tromb, or Clarinet. Samples are corrupted when i play them in Cubase. The samples also do not release when the key is lifted. The pitches are also not stable.
 
I had sent transpose messages from BIB, as well as given the samples General Midi numbers on bank 0. Under properties in Gigastudio, the only changes made were: I assigned X fades to bank2 and Key-E files to bank1 with the same GM numbers. I increased output to 6db and pitch bend to 4 semi-tones. Changing these back does not restore the samples characteristics.
Help,
Dana


Re: FAKE BOOK

DPRICE8292@...
 

--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., "Tom Speer" <rrcp@Q...> wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now including V-10 (with the
mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake book,but I have never
been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even adequate in the BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd songs.(no offense intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about the fake books
like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like Misty etc ,and contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@q...
Tom,
I think the thing that your missing is the fact that BGFAKE is the
BlueGrass FAKE book.
Thanks,
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
dprice8292@aol.com


FAKE BOOK

Tom Speer <rrcp@...>
 

I have used BB for several versions now including V-10 (with the mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake book,but I have never been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even adequate in the BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd songs.(no offense intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about the fake books like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like Misty etc ,and contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@qnet.com