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Re: What Are Christian Music styles?

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 11:00 PM 1/31/01 -0700, "Garrett Timmermans" wrote:
Re the comments of organist39@...:
My understanding of Bob Norton's comments is that "Contemporary Christian Music" is an amalgam of different music styles that are not uniquely "Christian" as for example, a hymn is.  I don't believe Bob is referring to LITURGICAL music at all.  CCL is a niche in, or segment of, the commercial music business.

Exactly. The people who are asking me to write CCM styles are not interested in organ music, nor are they interested in older songs. They want Christian top40 songs.

I've listened very carefully to what they are playing on contemporary Christian radio, and other than the lyrics, I can't find any difference between CCM and pop.

The musical content of many of the songs and many of the arrangements are very good. And there is probably a lot of money to be made doing it. I know a lot of people are making a lot of money producing those disks.


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Re: will those new PG disks 24 25 26 work with Mac BB version eight?

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 04:32 AM 2/1/01 +0000,justbettyboop@... wrote:
will those new PG disks 24 25 26 work with Mac BB version eight? Yes ? No ?

No.

You need the guitar feature in the StyleMaker to get them to work and PG Music only added to PC version 10.

The Mac version of BiaB has never been equal to the PC version. Version 8 on the Mac is about as functional as Version 7 on the PC.

The problem with Macs is that there are not enough people buying software. If the author is going to put a few thousand hours writing software, he or she will probably write for the PC first and sell almost 20 times as many disks, making 20 times as many dollars per hour.

When I started writing disks for BiaB, Mac was 25%  of my market, now it has shrunk to about 5%.

The following is just my opinion: My advice to Mac users (I have a Mac and a PC) is to buy as much software as you can afford. Even if you don't really need it that much. If the software people can no longer make a profit on Mac, the Mac will fade away, just like the Atari and the Amiga.



Bob "Notes" Norton
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Re: What Are Christian Music styles?

Garrett Timmermans
 

Re the comments of organist39@...:
My understanding of Bob Norton's comments is that "Contemporary Christian Music" is an amalgam of different music styles that are not uniquely "Christian" as for example, a hymn is.  I don't believe Bob is referring to LITURGICAL music at all.  CCL is a niche in, or segment of, the commercial music business.
 
Regards,
Garrett Timmermans


Re: Praise Music

Rob Clark <robertclark@...>
 

Take a look at the product offerings from Marantha Music. Their "Praise"
songbook series is mainstream contemporay Christian music. They have a set
of CDs that goes along with the songbook that helps bring the style to life.
Lots of slash chords. Also lots of sus and "2" chords to create a moving
line along the third. Their stuff is used by a lot of Church praise bands -
its quite an industry.


Re: chord translation, was RE: Lead Sheets..notation support

Marius Dahl Knudsen <marius@...>
 

Hello Bob.
Yes it does. It has a great little chord-designer, with all kinds of options ready for stringed instruments. It has a choice of 4-5-or 6 string diagrams with a choice of 4-5-6-or 7 frets in the diagram. You can tune the strings anyway you like, set fret-positions, finger-positons etc.
It also has a neat "auto-translate" function. When you put in the notes in a tab, it will automatilcally translate it into "real" notes, treble, bass or whatever. Very usefull, I found out.
You´ll find the program at www.musedit.com
Cheers    Marius


Re: will those new PG disks 24 25 26 work with Mac BB version eight?

David Bailey <dhbailey@...>
 

To be sure you should call PGMusic, but my gut reaction is NO, they
won't be compatible, since they are making use of new guitar emulation
technology incorporated in version 10.


justbettyboop@yahoo.com wrote:


Yes ?

No ?


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Re: can i change harmony instruments volumes in real time ?

David Bailey <dhbailey@...>
 

In the Opt. menu, click on Preferences, and in the dialogue box, in the
upper right corner is a setting for Overall Harmony Volume Adjust. Set
this to a negative number (try -20 to start and then play around until
you get the balance you want) and you should be all set.



justbettyboop@yahoo.com wrote:


in mac version eight can i change harmony volumes in real time ?

i find that the harmony instruments volumes out volume my melody instrument volume and so it would be
nice to be able to change the harmony instruments volume as easy as it is in changing the melody and
other instruments volume by clicking that virtual keyboard.

it seems that i have to somehow get into the harmony files and change them one at a time or is the
change to volume done globally ?


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Dumb

spalo@...
 

Is there a market for, and someone willing to write, an independent
"BIAB for Dummies"? One book that's up to date, doesn't require
jumping between different printed supplements and not part of the
BIAB organisation. Sometimes Styles and Harmonies and Soloists can be
a bit of a mystery. I wish I had the knowledge of the program to do
it.

Just a thought...

Devil's Advocate


Dumb and Dumber!

Frank Hand
 

My first version of BB was version 9. It came with the manual for
version 8, together with a supplement for version 9. Now I have the
supplement for version 10 and I often get confused trying to
cross-reference the three!

The Guides on the CD are quite useful and are probably cover the
basics of BB in sufficient detail. It's when one tries to get into
the more powerful features that difficulties arise.

I would certainly pay for an up-to-date "Guide for Dummies".
Although hopefully this group's FAQ will, in time, fill in some of
the blanks for me.

Regards,

Frank

--- spalo@cwcom.net wrote:

Is there a market for, and someone willing to write, an independent
"BIAB for Dummies"? One book that's up to date, doesn't require
jumping between different printed supplements and not part of the
BIAB organisation. Sometimes Styles and Harmonies and Soloists can
be a bit of a mystery. I wish I had the knowledge of the program to
do it.

Just a thought...

Devil's Advocate


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Bob 'Notes' Norton not in displayable format

Joel White <jwhite@...>
 

I get the digest form of this list. Often (but not always), messages from
Bob 'Notes' Norton contain only:

[This message is not in displayable format]

What's up with that? I can see his messages via the web, but that kinda
defeats the convenience of reading a digest that shows up in my mailbox
every day!

Guess I'm also curious about what Mr. Notes did to offend yahoogroups...
(!)

Cheers,

Joel


New Member Introduction

Alfredo De Pietra <alfstone@...>
 

Hello from Palermo, Sicily, Italy.
My name's Alfredo and I'm a 45 years old G.P., but my passion for music (and BIAB) is anyway great:
 
if you want, you can visit my site, regarding music (guitar music, Celtic music, Celtic fingerstyle guitar...)and medicine (in Italian & English...well, actually only 80% English).
The page regarding BIAB is:
 
 
and actually is only in Italian. Anyway the links are very good!
Let me know and a great CIAO!!!! to all of you
 
Alfredo


Re: Bob 'Notes' Norton not in displayable format

Steve Peacock
 

I suspect Bob 'Notes' Norton may be sending mail in HTML format. If your mail package is set up to read all messages as plain text, then some HTML messages will come up entirely blank.....

To read his messages, it may help to view the digest message in HTML format (if your mail software allows this).

However, this is actually a pain ... Even though I've selected "plain text only" from egroups as my mail delivery option, the messages often pop up in HTML format, which is highly irritating, because then I get a bunch of password request screens from my LAN server as it tries to log into the internet to download the advertising pictures in the message.

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Re: Bob 'Notes' Norton not in displayable format

David Bailey <dhbailey@...>
 

Yahoo groups (or this list, at any rate) may not include messages in
HTML in digests, and perhaps this is why in the digest you cannot read
his messages. They come through to the list just fine.



Joel White wrote:


I get the digest form of this list. Often (but not always), messages from
Bob 'Notes' Norton contain only:

[This message is not in displayable format]

What's up with that? I can see his messages via the web, but that kinda
defeats the convenience of reading a digest that shows up in my mailbox
every day!

Guess I'm also curious about what Mr. Notes did to offend yahoogroups...
(!)

Cheers,

Joel


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this message board should have thread postings/replies

justbettyboop@...
 

Is it possible to have this message board handle postings/replies similiar to the message board PG and
others use ?

It's so hard to follow a thread at this board and in fact it's hard to understand what the original question
was after reading some obvious replies to original posting.

Or have I set my preferences here wrong ?


Re: What Are Christian Music styles?

M. Steven Ginn <sginn@...>
 

Hi Bob,
 
I don't know if I will explain this well or not but here it goes ...
 
There are several areas of church music that can be looked at, with each serving a different purpose. 
 
First there are the hymns that have typically been used in a liturgical setting and in more traditional church services.  The hymns pretty much follow the standard "church music" style (organ & choir) and are arranged for orchestra's and choirs in the form of octavos.  I don't think this is what people are looking for when they want a Christian style for BiaB.
 
Second, you have the contemporary Christian music that is usually played on the radio's, which as you have learned is really no different than secular music, except for its content.  In fact for just about every style of secular music out there, you can find an equivalent substitute in Christian music form, which as you have stated typically involves the use of lyrics that minister to people in some form, or give glory to God.  And there are even some incredible instrumental works without lyrics, done by Chrisitan artists as well (like jazz, & big band, celtic, etc.)
 
Finally, you have something that is sort of a combination of the above two styles which is being used more and more in churches these days and what is called contemporary Praise & Worship.  This music you will most likely find, is not a whole lot different style wise than the radio music in the sense that you have modern instruments, synths, saxes, electric guitars, etc.  But, in my opinion (which is not professional so please give me some latitude) it is different because most praise and worship music consists of primarily a verse and chorus which are set up to be repeated so that it is easy for a congregation to follow along.  Of course there are different variations, some with intro's, some with bridges, a lot of times with key changes to modulate higher in order to raise the level of intensity, etc.  Yes, fundamentally a lot of these characteristics are similar/identical to regular contemporary music but I think the way they are arranged lend themselves to more repetition (with variations on each repeat).  Also, there is a certain amount of contemporary Christian music that still has that "hymn" feel but with modern instruments and maybe a little hipper beat.
 
I hope I explained this well enough, not to offend anyone or pretend to know everything because I don't.  This is just what I have learned from being involved with leading Praise & Worship in my church, week after week.
 
Regards,
 
Steve Ginn

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob 'Notes' Norton [mailto:norton@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:42 PM
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] What Are Christian Music styles?

At 11:00 PM 1/31/01 -0700, "Garrett Timmermans"
Re the comments of organist39@...:
My understanding of Bob Norton's comments is that "Contemporary Christian Music" is an amalgam of different music styles that are not uniquely "Christian" as for example, a hymn is.  I don't believe Bob is referring to LITURGICAL music at all.  CCL is a niche in, or segment of, the commercial music business.

Exactly. The people who are asking me to write CCM styles are not interested in organ music, nor are they interested in older songs. They want Christian top40 songs.

I've listened very carefully to what they are playing on contemporary Christian radio, and other than the lyrics, I can't find any difference between CCM and pop.

The musical content of many of the songs and many of the arrangements are very good. And there is probably a lot of money to be made doing it. I know a lot of people are making a lot of money producing those disks.


Bob "Notes" Norton
owner, Norton Music
norton@...

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Re: Dumb

Robert Pickett <robert871@...>
 

I understand your frustration. I received Video turorials on CDs when I
ordered BiaB. Got one for version 6, one for 8, one for 9 and one for 10.
I just pop a CD into my computer and then watch the video on how to use "new
features" such as soloist, melodist, guitar soloist, step entry, etc. After
watching these demos, the manuals become decipherable.
Bob P

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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:55 AM
Subject: [Band-in-a-Box] Dumb


Is there a market for, and someone willing to write, an independent
"BIAB for Dummies"? One book that's up to date, doesn't require
jumping between different printed supplements and not part of the
BIAB organisation. Sometimes Styles and Harmonies and Soloists can be
a bit of a mystery. I wish I had the knowledge of the program to do
it.

Just a thought...

Devil's Advocate



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Re: this message board should have thread postings/replies

alisdair@...
 

You can select to sort the messages by thread or date. The default is
date. So try selecting thread! Hope this helps.

---alisdair

--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., justbettyboop@y... wrote:
Is it possible to have this message board handle postings/replies
similiar to the message board PG and
others use ?

It's so hard to follow a thread at this board and in fact it's hard
to understand what the original question
was after reading some obvious replies to original posting.

Or have I set my preferences here wrong ?


Introduction

jkountz@...
 

Hello everyone, I just joined the group and wanted to say hey to all
the current members. I love this software and use it daily, I know
however there is alot more to it than just the parts I use and I
would like to learn more about it. I trust I have come to the right
place 'eh??

Jim


C-Buck.sty troubles

jkountz@...
 

I have the C-Buck style from disc #23. There is a nice little lead
guitar riff that plays throughout the style. The problem Im having it
that for some reason during playback the lead guitar will jump key.
Nothing else just the guitar part. The song I was doing went from A-D-
E but the guitar part went A-B-F#. Strange huh? It gets better. In
the next verse of the song it corrected itself and the guitar was
once again back on key. Never had this happen before and cant figure
out how to get it to stop. Is does NOT occur at regular intervals
either. Just seems to do it whenever it feels like it. HELP!!

Jim


Re: Bob 'Notes' Norton not in displayable format

John Birchall <jpb2@...>
 

Steve.Peacock@huletts.co.za writes:
I suspect Bob 'Notes' Norton may be sending mail in HTML format. If your
mail package is set up to read all messages as plain text, then some HTML
messages will come up entirely blank.....
Yes I'm having trouble with Bob's HTML format ...
this is unfortunate because Bob is a major contributor ...

how about sending your messages in plain text Bob?


cheers and beers
john p birchall
Bush sax player from Chester.

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