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Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

D F Tweedie
 

Apologies, David, if this is 'out of school,' but ...

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DF Tweedie

On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 2:57:52 AM PST, David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@...> wrote:


On 2/13/2021 10:18 PM, Charles Alford via groups.io wrote:
> Here are ones I have. Hope they help somewhat.
>
>
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The Conductor

IAN GRAHAM
 

Hallo, all

I am trying for the first time to use The Conductor. I don't remember
seeing it discussed here before. Maybe it is one of those 'clever'
features that is very little used ?

Anyway, I am actually failing to make it work at all ! I have attempted
to set it to QWERTY  input 'T' - 'go to next part marker'. In the
Conductor window I have ticked  'Enable control by QWERTY keys' and
enabled the button 'Next Part Marker'. If I set a song running, and then
press T, I get a pop-up box message  'Mode is changed to to Next Part
Marker' , but there's absolutely no effect on playback.

If I could get it to work, I would then go on to try to set a Midi
Keyboard key as input, but one step at a time.

What I'm actually trying to experiment with is, not playback of an
entire arrangement, but setting up a drums-only 'song', which I could
use as accompaniment to exploratory live play around specific material;
and I hope(d) the 'go to next part marker' might be a way of inserting a
drum kick at will.

If anyone is familiar with the feature and can suggest what else I need
to do, I'd be grateful to hear. ( I am NOT asking you, David, to
undertake new research on my behalf ! )

Sincerely

Ian G

Wales UK


Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

etcjoe
 

David wrote: "What I don't understand is why the .wma files are included with all the .wav files in the audiophile edition "

I think the reason is the .wma files are standard, the audiophile .wav files are "add-on", so you get the whole pile when you go audiophile. There was a post on the PG Music forum recently about this, and the answer there was that the program looks for the audiophile versions first and uses them if they are there, if you point to an external drive for the realtracks and it is the audiophile drive you definitely get those every time. I have BIAB on 2 different computers, one is tied to the audiophile drive and I use that in my recordings. The other computer, I just use occasionally for trying stuff out etc. Doesn't need that quality file for that.


Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

etcjoe
 

On 2/13/2021 8:46 AM, Bo Stottlemyer wrote:
I am using BIAB Audiophile version 2020 and have a question.  Since PG has placed both the WMA and WAV real tracks into the same folder, how can I be sure I'm selecting only the audiophile WAV tracks?
My understanding is BIAB uses the audiophile WAV tracks if they are there, they are prioritized. You should have them on the external drive provided by PG Music, and should have the program pointing there in the Realtracks and Realdrums option selections. You choose another location for the files there in preferences. Instead of C:\bb or where you installed the BB program. In my case I select, for example, F:\bb\realtracks or wherever the audiophile tracks reside.


Re: Problem with GM

Joe Muscara
 

Yeah, we said that. They updated 2020 but those of us on other versions including 2019 are stuck unless we pay to upgrade.


Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

David H. Bailey
 

On 2/13/2021 10:18 PM, Charles Alford via groups.io wrote:
Here are ones I have. Hope they help somewhat.
[snip]

All attachments are stripped from messages to the BIAB group, so if you have anything to share with the group you need to upload them to the appropriate folder at the BIAB page at groups.io and then post a message about what you uploaded and if possible include a link to the folder where you uploaded them.


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Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

Charles Alford
 

Here are ones I have. Hope they help somewhat.


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Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd)

Looking for Bluegrass and Country Backtracks so I can practice it with my violin and mandolin with band in box any ideas where to find them?
Kirk

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:46 AM Bo Stottlemyer <bstottlemyer@...> wrote:
I am using BIAB Audiophile version 2020 and have a question.  Since PG has placed both the WMA and WAV real tracks into the same folder, how can I be sure I'm selecting only the audiophile WAV tracks?  


Import duty

Roy Collingwood
 

Has anyone paid import duty or vat on the download version of band in a box. 
From eBay or of music?

Roy


Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

Jim Kopenhafer
 

here are a couple of items
and a couple of styles so you can mix up your own..
Jim..

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 3:24 PM bass for Ever <bass4art@...> wrote:
Looking for Bluegrass and Country Backtracks so I can practice it with my violin and mandolin with band in box any ideas where to find them?
Kirk

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:46 AM Bo Stottlemyer <bstottlemyer@...> wrote:
I am using BIAB Audiophile version 2020 and have a question.  Since PG has placed both the WMA and WAV real tracks into the same folder, how can I be sure I'm selecting only the audiophile WAV tracks?  


Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

Pardon the self-serving commercial plug, but you can get BiaB country tracks here:

http://www.nortonmusic.com/fake13.html

http://www.nortonmusic.com/fake42.html

The price is reasonable, as little as 7 cents per song.

Notes


On 2/13/2021 3:23 PM, bass for Ever wrote:
Looking for Bluegrass and Country Backtracks so I can practice it with my violin and mandolin with band in box any ideas where to find them?
Kirk

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:46 AM Bo Stottlemyer <bstottlemyer@...> wrote:
I am using BIAB Audiophile version 2020 and have a question.  Since PG has placed both the WMA and WAV real tracks into the same folder, how can I be sure I'm selecting only the audiophile WAV tracks?  

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Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

David H. Bailey <dhbailey@...>
 

What I don't understand is why the .wma files are included with all the .wav files in the audiophile edition -- after all, the publicity brags about the high purity of the .wav files without compression. So why include the .wma files at all in an installation?

I can understand if the audiophile edition includes the option to save space, say on a notebook computer, if one is installing the program on more than one computer, but if the .wav files are included, there should be no reason to include the .wav files.

The only possibility I can think of is that if a person is to export to an mp3 file, the compressed audio of the .wma files might give smaller file sizes, and use the .wav files to export audio as wave files and for playback on the local computer.

I wonder if somewhere in the fine print of the installation files for the audiophile edition or in the documentation there might be some reference as to why both file types are included.

Just wondering . . .
David

On 2/13/2021 12:37 PM, D F Tweedie via groups.io wrote:
David ...
That is, of course, a 'drop dead' solution ... but I can't believe PG Music would expect users to do that on their premium product.
It is a great question that never occurred to me.
Do I faintly recall something about BIAB using the *.wma files when playing the RealTracks styles demo songs?
DF
On Saturday, February 13, 2021, 7:18:50 AM PST, David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@comcast.net> wrote:
On 2/13/2021 8:46 AM, Bo Stottlemyer wrote:
> I am using BIAB Audiophile version 2020 and have a question.  Since PG
> has placed both the WMA and WAV real tracks into the same folder, how
> can I be sure I'm selecting only the audiophile WAV tracks?
[snip]
Move the .wma files to a different folder so that BIAB can't find them.
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Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

Wayne (Reed) Knazek
 

Roger, you'd be amazed by how LITTLE Rick B. makes from monetized videos. Many of his YouTube videos are demonetized by YouTube's "powers that be". Money generated by the videos goes to the original artists, producers, etc., Sometimes the money is split. But might/might not split with Rick. YT chooses to demonetize your video . . . You get nada.  And commonly, the artist, artist's management, business estate management slap these video makers with copyright blaw blaw . . . . and you get zippola for your video. Some cases you might get a share of the money made from the video. (I am NOT opposed to copyright, or having money go to an artist!)

A successful YouTube channel can generate a good bit of profit. The "channel" can, but the videos quite often do not generate anything for the guy or gal putting out the video.

I could put out a great video showing you how to make a style, or pick a style in BIAB that sounds exactly like a specific song. Let's say someone requested Peaceful Easy Feeling by the Eagles. And let's say I did a vid on my BIAB Styles channel on that song. Step by step, Pick the style. Show you the chord progression. Maybe tweak the bass line. Cover all the stuff to make the resulting file sound as close as possible to the original recording.  And let's say I did such a great job on the video that I got a million viewers!  Guess what I did?

I made the Eagles a bunch of money.

"So why go to the bother?" you ask.  Well, if I can get just 1% of that million hits/viewers to join my channel, subscribe, then I just picked up around 10,000 new subscribers! And they "might" check out my other videos. They might even subscribe to my Patreon channel and pay me $1 a month. Maybe ever a couple bucks a month. FOR A WHILE. Until they change their mind. Or stop using BIAB styles. Or die, stop playing music, get married . . . yadda yadda.

If again, 1% of the 10,000 new viewers subscribe at a buck a month, I make another $100 a month. Substantial? NO! But like an insurance salesman, you keep building your base. Over time, eventually, if you're lucky, and work insanely at it, you get more joining than quitting, and make some money.

The search to find new subscribers is non stop. The money comes from "after sales", and  "up sales".  PLUS . . . there are a lot of potential perks for having a huge subscriber base.

EXAMPLE, but NOT necessarily this particular company . . . PGMusic might really like the work I'm doing on the styles channel, contact me, offer me some software, and maybe/maybe not charge me for software updates in the future. Might promote my channel.  Maybe a company out there sees me on PGMusic's site. Maybe that can lead to more perks. Let's say Norton learns about me from the PGMusic site. Loves what I'm doing. Maybe we can share in each other's channels, promote each other, and I get a huge spurt in subscribers! And so does Norton.

NOTE: I'm using PGMusic and Norton in this example because you all know both companies by name and products, and they are relevant to this post. I am not implying that either company would or would not do this. It's just an example.

So that's how it works. Rick does a vid on "Why this song is so great". Gets demonetized. But gets 100 people to buy one of his books. And maybe 1,000 to subscribe to one of his other channels. And maybe 10 or 20 subscribe to his Patreon channel.

That's how it works. Not 100% of the time. And there are exceptions, etc. But there are other reasons why we make videos, or why we spend hours a day sometimes answering questions on our forums and groups, Why we post lessons, or how tos.  Sometimes it's not monetary at all.

Take me, right this minute, for instance. Why am I making a sacrifice to make this post? Just because I like to share, and help when I can.

"Sacrifice!?!" you say. YES! Sacrifice. Not only because of time. But even more important . . . just so you understand how big this sacrifice is . . .

My son just stopped in. While I was writing this post. And he brought me a bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue Label scotch!  I'm sitting here in
my studio, typing to you, and it's almost 5 o'clock!  I'm typing instead of having a well deserved scotch and water! LOL

Stay safe!  Wayne


Re: Problem with GM

jp.w
 


Good news ! PG Music has just uploaded a patch to make BiaB mac compatible with Big Sur. It is done. I will test this update. Https://www.pgmusic.com/support_macintoshupdates.htm#2020_422


Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Mac Update - Build 422 (500 MB) - BETA

This patch will update Band-in-a-Box® 2020 to build 422 from any previous 2020 build. This is currently considered a beta patch because it is new. This includes DAW Plugin 2.12.15. You need to have Band-in-a-Box® 2020 (build 401 or higher) installed for this update to work.

If you are updating an external PG Music hard drive, make sure to choose the correct destination volume ([Change Install Location] button / Install on a specific disk).

Summary of changes for build 422 (Feb 10, 2021)

  • Added: This is a major update that adds BigSur and M1 chip compatibility, allowing Band-in-a-Box to function normally on BigSur and M1 machines. Band-in-a-Box 2020 Mac (build 422 or higher) is compatible on all Mac OS from Snow Leopard (OS 10.6.8) to BigSur (OS 11) inclusive. On Intel and Silcon M1 Macs.
  • Fixed: The Notation and Lead Sheet windows were blank if using macOS Big Sur.
  • Fixed: The Lead Sheet window would not close if using macOS Big Sur.
  • Fixed: Possible crashes when resizing windows if using macOS Big Sur.
  • Fixed: Notes not highlighting red during playback in Notation window on some computers.
  • Fixed: No sound on some machines if the "Apple: DLSMusicDevice" MIDI plugin is missing.
  • Fixed: Some menu items in the Drop Station context menu did not respond.


Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

bass for Ever
 

Looking for Bluegrass and Country Backtracks so I can practice it with my violin and mandolin with band in box any ideas where to find them?
Kirk

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:46 AM Bo Stottlemyer <bstottlemyer@...> wrote:
I am using BIAB Audiophile version 2020 and have a question.  Since PG has placed both the WMA and WAV real tracks into the same folder, how can I be sure I'm selecting only the audiophile WAV tracks?  


Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

D F Tweedie
 

David ...

That is, of course, a 'drop dead' solution ... but I can't believe PG Music would expect users to do that on their premium product.

It is a great question that never occurred to me.

Do I faintly recall something about BIAB using the *.wma files when playing the RealTracks styles demo songs?

DF

On Saturday, February 13, 2021, 7:18:50 AM PST, David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@...> wrote:


On 2/13/2021 8:46 AM, Bo Stottlemyer wrote:
> I am using BIAB Audiophile version 2020 and have a question.  Since PG
> has placed both the WMA and WAV real tracks into the same folder, how
> can I be sure I'm selecting only the audiophile WAV tracks?
[snip]

Move the .wma files to a different folder so that BIAB can't find them.

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http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com






Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

David H. Bailey
 

On 2/13/2021 8:46 AM, Bo Stottlemyer wrote:
I am using BIAB Audiophile version 2020 and have a question.  Since PG has placed both the WMA and WAV real tracks into the same folder, how can I be sure I'm selecting only the audiophile WAV tracks?
[snip]

Move the .wma files to a different folder so that BIAB can't find them.

--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

Bo Stottlemyer
 

I am using BIAB Audiophile version 2020 and have a question.  Since PG has placed both the WMA and WAV real tracks into the same folder, how can I be sure I'm selecting only the audiophile WAV tracks?  


Re: Link to Cakewalk

Bill
 

Does anyone have any ideas as to how to learn the program?

I was a Cakewalk user from the beginning and can no longer remember how long ago that was. Maybe under DOS?
The Cakewalk.com site looks like it still has complete documentation. http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=Cakewalk&language=3&help=toc.html 
But I most enjoyed Scott Garrigus' Digifreq mailing list at http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/ and it looks like it is still active. If the message history is still there it was great. I also bought all of Scott's books and got a lot out of them. I imagine there are a lot available used now.

Bill H


Re: Problem with GM

MikeS88
 

I am also using BIAB 2019 for the Mac, and don’t upgrade every year either. I’ve decided to stay on Catalina for a little while longer because I use BIAB so much, as well as to make sure my other music software (Cubase 11, Groove Agent SE5, Waves plug ins, Kontakt libraries, a bunch of other VST’s, Nord Sound Manager, etc.) is compatible. 
 
Guessing I'll move to Big Sur when BIAB 2021 comes out in the spring. Everything else should also be caught up by then.


Re: Midi vs Real Tracks (cont'd) #RealTracks

William Prentice
 

I think I'll pass on adding a MIDI interface to my setup.  I don't have any issues with Real Tracks so I have no down time with any technical problems when I am expecting a fun, creative process.
  
I am not a fan of lossy, wma file formats.  If you ever hear the Audiophile Edition...your ears will never want to go back.  That would be the main reason I would add MIDI to my setup. MIDI sound from a keyboard or a module is higher quality.  It sounds better (more ear pleasing) than the wma Real Tracks.  The wma compression process throws away about 90% of the audio file so it's about 1\10 the original file size...the lost data can never be recovered.  The spectrum analyzer in a DAW will reveal everything above 15k is gone...nothing there...nothing to be recover.  (I've always wondered where the remaining 90% goes...maybe they cut it into 10% slices so they can sell 1 song 10 times?)

If I didn't have the Audiophile Edition I know I would be using my MIDI sound modules for their higher resolution sound quality.  2013 was my first introduction to BNAB and in 2014, I upgraded to the Audiophile Edition.  I do use the up-sample function for rendering audio tracks.  The 24 bit 48k works wonderful with my DAW and the final mix is in HD audio, 24 bit 48k.  High resolution audio files do sound better.  When the mix is done, I compress it with FLAC which is a lossless audio file format.  It reduces the file size about 1/3, unzips the music in real time with the bandwidth of the original and can be expanded back into a wav file with no loss.
  
I have a special funds folder where I place my throw away change and by the end of the year use it for the next upgrade.  2020 was a major upgrade and 2021 was another giant step upward.  My albums are now available around the world.  I have1 fan in Ukraine...collusion so now I can never run for President!  Oh well, that's why I am a songwriter. 
   
I do learn a lot from reading all these posts.  Thanks all!

On Friday, February 12, 2021, 02:05:30 AM MST, Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...> wrote:


You have a good point, and there is more than one right way to make music.

I tend to input everything live in 'real time' using various MIDI controllers, so I guess I'm all the human error I need (sometimes more than I need -- which means I haven't practiced the part enough <grin>)


On 2/10/2021 1:56 AM, D F Tweedie via groups.io wrote:
Bob, I overwhelmingly defer to your opinions, but I think you are being slightly harsh.

'Humanizing' and groove are not antithetical. They can be complimentary. 'Humanizing' randomization doesn't have have to be mindless.

A well done MIDI file can have a great groove with the drums and other tracks properly in their respective pockets. It can of course depend if those drums and instruments were played in or programmed.

With programmed files the note velocities and note lengths may be too exacting and repetetive. So you keep the note starts almost untouched with maybe a range of -3 to +10 ticks and a slightly larger range of maybe -5 to + 15 ticks for note ending and velocity. Your still will probably be more exacting than a human player but you'll have a better feel over all.

I think all tools and techniques have their place ... and any can be used inapproriately.

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