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Re: Soft synth TTS-1

David H. Bailey <dhbailey@...>
 

For the TTS-1 with all of its sounds, it's not a very big .dll so I am guessing that somehow there is a library of sounds which is part of the package but not installed in the same folder with the TTS-1.dll file. And I am guessing that the .dll is searching for those data files for the actual sounds using some sort of regressive tree structure rather than specific paths but that's just a wild guess.

It matters not -- it only works from the original installation folder so somehow it's linked to other files within that installation folder.

I know that most VST and DXi plugins are self-contained or at least have all their data within the same local folder but apparently that's not the case this time.

But at least now we know that the original installation needs to be kept intact. Unless someone with deeper knowledge of these things can find out more.

In any event, I am very grateful for all this discussion and the followup messages because I had basically written off using the MIDI styles in my private lessons, since they're all online and I share my computer's audio with my students so I can play BIAB files and they come through my students' computers for them to practice playing jazz and improvising with. Now that I've got TTS-1 working so nicely with BIAB, I can use MIDI styles and don't have to search for substitute realstyles before playing the songs for my students.

It's been a real eye-opener, Thanks everybody!
David

On 2/6/2021 7:49 AM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
Thanks, David.
That sounds very much as if there is a deliberate spoiler in there
somewhere - my experience is that *.dll soundfonts are usually very
tolerant of being copied around, provided the computer recognises them.
i.e. Some need a specific installation, many don't.
Cheers
Ian G.
On 06/02/2021 12:33, David H. Bailey wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:19 PM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
Can I confirm if I'm understanding this right ? The following summary
is partly what has already been said, and partly based on my own
experience, and what I've read online:

TTS-1 is a fairly elderly but quite respected GM softsynth. It
currently comes bundled with Bandcamp.

What this means is that there is a TTS-1.dll somewhere in the
Bandcamp package.

Can this, therefore, once found, be used independently of Bandcamp
i.e. imported into Biab directly, or made standalone with something
like Savihost or Nanohost ?
The location of the .dll file is C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared
DXi\TTS-1

Once Cakewalk is installed, I tried copying the TTS-1 folder to a
different hard drive, then renamed the folder it was inside of so that
BIAB wouldn't be able to find it in the old location.  Then I had BIAB
search for new plugins.  Apparently the TTS-1 synth only works when it
is in its original installation folder.  There must be other files
that it looks for in specific folders relative to where it is
installed, so it has to remain within the Cakewalk installation.

But for most people it's not a big deal since hard-drives these days
are so cheap and large that installing Cakewalk and not using it other
than to have the TTS-1 soft-synth available for use in BIAB.

I can't say whether it could be used as a standalone in Savihost or
Nanohost, but apparently it can't be used at all if not in the
original installation location.
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Re: Link to Cakewalk

CreativeLemming
 

This guy has some of the best cakewalk tutorials around - you won't go far wrong by following his guides : Cakewalk by Bandlab - YouTube


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Re: Link to Cakewalk

Chris Welch <chris.welch@...>
 

Cakewalk is now being supported by Bandlab.  A good starting place to learn:


https://help.bandlab.com/hc/en-us/articles/115002945153-Getting-started-on-BandLab


Frankly it has an awful user interface.  Sure DAWs are complex, but they put extra effort in to make it quite unintuitive at times.


Deep breath, make sure you aren't on a time schedule, and walk through the tutorials.  It is worth the effort, it is a pretty amazing piece of software.

The other one I enjoy working with is Ableton, not free, but there are easy ways to get the Lite version for free.  For example:


https://www.musicradar.com/news/download-ableton-live-10-lite-for-free-courtesy-of-splice


Hunt around on the net for others if that doesn't work.  Many audio interfaces now come with a serial number for the Lite version as well.  Maybe you have a buddy that bought something and isn't going to use it?


Ableton is really fun and I find it a lot more intuitive.  It also adds a really neat pattern perspective that makes it fun to build up music.

I've also seen it used for performance with a MIDI controller being used to trigger the patterns.


Enjoy!



On 2021-02-05 4:10 p.m., Mr Dave wrote:
I downloaded and installed Cakewalk, but it doesn't seam to be very intuitive to use.
Does anyone have any ideas as to how to learn the program?

Dave



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Subject: [Band-In-A-Box] link to cakewalk
 
I don't know if anybody is interested but here is a link for cakewalk"https://www.cakewalk.com/Products"]https://www.cakewalk.com/Products[/a]I dowloaded it yesterday and it's okay but not for me .There are too many bells and whistles that i would never use                                                                                                                                                                          hope this is helpful                     rob !                                                                 
 


Re: Link to Cakewalk

JustJesse James
 

Try the Groove 3 tutorial videos. Also back in the day Cakewalk put out "Cakewalk University" tutorial videos, I'm gonna guess they're still on youtube or can be found on Google
 
 
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Re: Link to Cakewalk

Mack Vismusic
 

 
Dave, youtube has archived video instruction under “cakewalk channel” which I am subscribed to.

 


Re: Soft synths

David H. Bailey <dhbailey@...>
 

On 2/2/2021 1:01 PM, D F Tweedie via groups.io wrote:
[snip]> @David ... Steinberg's entry level and up versions of Cubase throw in
Halion SE (Halion Special Edition), which includes a feature to automatically open in GM mode with full soundset. That is, if you import a MIDI file and instantiate Halion SE, it will load with the correct instruments per channel.
There is also an advanced, full version of Halion that sells separately. It has some additional functions and a very large collection of sounds beyond GM which are categorized in such a way as to very easily be auditioned in the case you might want something close to but more distinctive than the stock GM voice.
[snip]
But can the Halion SE be used as a soft-synth within BIAB?



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Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

On 2/1/2021 3:39 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:
<...snip...>
My advice would be to contact a sales rep at Sweetwater.com -- they're very knowledgeable and can guide you and in my experience there is zero pressure to buy. <...snip...>
I agree with the Sweetwater recommendation. Alan Finkbeiner, my rep, has helped me quite a bit through the years and I find his recommendations to usually be spot on.

There are software synths available, and I'm sure some of them may be great, but I prefer hardware.

Each has their pros and cons, which you choose depends on your situation.

Software synths tend to be less expensive and you don't need an external amplifier/speaker combo to use them.

On the other hand they all tax the CPU of your computer, giving you latency and it's very difficult to run a dozen of them at a time choosing the best sound for each instrument out of the array. Plus they will all eventually become orphaned by the Operating System of your computer.

The Virtual Sound Canvas that used to ship with Band-in-a-Box no longer works on OS10. Apple has always had the upgrade or perish philosophy so whatever you use today won't be usable in the future unless the company is still in business and finds it profitable enough to issue an update.

Hardware synths tend to cost more, need an external amp/speaker system, but since the MIDI association professes to be always back-compatible to the 5pin DIN MIDI connector, they should last as long as you do. Their latency hovers around 5ms which for all practical purposes is zero (less than the delay from 6 feet away). Plus with no CPU load you can hook up 16 or more synths picking the sax from one, bass from another, guitar from a third, piano from a fourth, kick drum from another, snare from yet another, and so on with no sync problems.

One more thing I forgot to mention earlier is that since the hardware sounds are often stored in RAM, it's possible to make a more complex sound without concern over CPU cycles in the computer.

If interested in the Ketron SD2, Thomann does have a USA outlet https://m.thomannmusic.com/index.html I don't know of anyone else who carries this in the US, although I haven't checked all the stores.

To hear the SD2, most of the HD.Demo files on https://m.thomannmusic.com/index.html were made with the SD2, recorded into Audacity and exported as a 128kbps mp3 file. I used the SD90 on a few but the majority are SD2.

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Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 


On 2/1/2021 10:34 AM, Frank Curran via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Bob for this excellent process outline. It’s easy to see you have learned a lot via extensive experience. When using MIDI files how do you get good quality sound in the end product? In your experience don’t MIDI files sound ‘artificial’, not like a recording of actual musicians?

—Frank Curran

I use good MIDI sound modules. If you use the cheesy software synth that comes with the Windows or Mac OS,  you are going to have artificial sounds.

I prefer hardware to software synths, but that's a matter of preference. The nice things about hardware are there is no load on the computer's CPU so no latency, and they don't go obsolete with OS changes. I have MIDI modules I bought in the 1980s that still work plus the newer ones I've purchased through the years.

Good quality synths give you good quality sounds.

But then what is good sound? On guitar is it Jimi Hendrix, Jeff Beck, Eric Gale, George Benson, Slash, Kenny Burrell, Joe Pass, Les Paul, Eric Clapton, Johnny A, BB King, Duane Allman, Randy Bachman, Adrian Belew, Carl wilson, Dick Dale, Frank Zappa, Johnny Winter, Steve Vai, Brian Setzer, Joe Perry, etc?????? On which guitar?

But not sounding artificial is not the tone.

IMO expression is 90% of the music and tone is 10%. That's why people with less than stellar voices like Dr. John, Stevie Nicks, John Lennon, and others can sell millions of records.

There are a number of MIDI continuous controllers http://www.nortonmusic.com/midi_cc.html that let you add expression to the MIDI messages. If your MIDI controller and recording software is set up properly, you can simply record live into your sequencer/DAW and your expression will be recorded.

Tell me which of these MIDI sounds are artificial? Example A Example B Example C - all sounds are MIDI except the voice. They were recorded on the gig with a pre-iPod Archos Juke Box and ripped at a terrible 56k mp3.

Our 2015 promo featured nothing but MIDI instruments because all the clips were recorded on gigs with that Archos near the PA speaker and nothing I played on the saxophone was balanced enough to use. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmCRwAy1UV8

My sound modules, which I have been collecting since the mid 1980s are; Yamaha TX81z, Roland MT32, Roland SC55, Edirol SD90, Ketron SD2, Yamaha VL70m, plus 2 samplers (Peavey and Akai) and a couple of keyboard synths, Korg i3 and Korg DS8.

Considering that's 35 years of synths, the expense per year is minimal. The earliest synths were purchased during the Windows 3.1 and Mac OS6/Motorola CUP days. They still work with good old 5pin DIN connections.

Even the old TX81z, my oldest, has a few stellar sounds that FM synthesis does best.

Of the synths I have, if I were to recommend one for a better than average General MIDI bank to start with it would be the Ketron SD2. It's hard to find in the USA but Thomann in Germany has them and will ship to USA. The weakest voice IMO is brass sections, so I'd find one with good brass to add as my second synth.

And with hardware modules, there is virtually no latency and you can mix and match as many as your sequencer/DAW can handle, and they will all be within a couple of milliseconds of being in sync.

If your tone is 'in the ballpark' and your expression is good, tone doesn't matter.

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Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

Garth Bird
 

Good advice Bob!
I have been using Facebook's as a starting point since my first BIAB on floppy discs and DOS only. Purchased your ultimate fake book for BIAB last year. This has taken the drudgery out of entering chords.
All the best,

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Re: Link to Cakewalk

Arthur Trinchera
 

Thanks Steve. I guess Pro tools first is not compatible with Windows 10. I've installed it several times will my laptop and now with my brand new pc. It will install but crashes everytime before even getting to see the interface. Yesterday I read it's not yet compatible with 10. I'm letting go of it.
Arthur

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021, 5:43 PM Steve Thomas <stevet@...> wrote:

I've used ProTools before.  I did find it a bit easier to learn than Cakewalk.  And I have Ableton that came with my Scarlett too, but I never tried it.   DAWs in general have a fairly steep learning curve.  So for most of my general purpose sound recording and editing chores I've stayed with Audacity.  No, it's not a full DAW, but it does most of what I need and it is very easy to learn.

On 2/5/2021 5:31 PM, Arthur Trinchera wrote:
Do you use the free Pro Tools? I've tried to get it several times but got sound card errors every time I tried to install but that was on on my older cheap HP laptop. I just got a new beefy pc. Perhaps I should try again. You said you've tried many DAWS. Have you tried Ableton. How would it compare to Pro Tools? I have the lite version that came bundled with Scarlett 2i2.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021, 2:38 PM D F Tweedie via groups.io <bienpegaito=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I've used all the DAWs you mention before ultimately settling on Pro Tools and Cubase.

I found Cakewalk's Sonar to be the most convoluted and difficult to learn and soon left for greener pastures. If your goal is to master it you'd be well served to buy some of the 10 Sonar tutorial offerings on Groove3 ... or take a subscription. Here's a link to one offering.


On Friday, February 5, 2021, 1:15:23 PM PST, Steve Thomas <stevet@...> wrote:


It's been my thought for years that Cakewalk is a DAW with capabilities on par with other top DAWs like ProTools (but not as popular), PreSonus, Cubase, Reaper, Ableton, etc. But since it's free now, one might expect it to be simple to use and a bit less powerful, along the lines of Audacity.  But it's a full DAW, and the learning curve is steep.


Steve


On 2/5/2021 3:10 PM, Mr Dave wrote:
I downloaded and installed Cakewalk, but it doesn't seam to be very intuitive to use.
Does anyone have any ideas as to how to learn the program?

Dave



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To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io>
Subject: [Band-In-A-Box] link to cakewalk
 
I don't know if anybody is interested but here is a link for cakewalk"https://www.cakewalk.com/Products"]https://www.cakewalk.com/Products[/a]I dowloaded it yesterday and it's okay but not for me .There are too many bells and whistles that i would never use                                                                                                                                                                          hope this is helpful                     rob !                                                                 
 
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Re: Soft synth TTS-1

rkl122
 

On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 02:12 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
"There is a 13.5MB .dat file in the TTS-1 folder, which I am guessing is where the sound data is stored for the .dll file to call upon. So my advice to people who install Cakewalk just to get the TTS-1 soft-synth to use within BIAB is to copy or move the entire TTS-1 folder from within the "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\" folder and don't just copy or move the .dll file."
David I see you were following my post as written before I edited line 2. to state that, yes, it's the whole folder that should be moved/copied, not just the dll file.  Very sorry to cause extra work.  The main point of DX registration is to not only inform Windows where the dll is, but also to permit access to any associated files, which the protocol assumes (I suppose) are in the same folder as the dll itself.

Anyway, glad it worked out.

DFT - Just a sometime hobby programmer.  Been using Cakewalk since it was pure MIDI and BB from its beginning as well.  Upgrade every year.  As aggravating as they can be to use, I'm fascinated by the technology and want to support BB's growth.  With every upgrade, I hope they'll have added the one ingredient that you guys already have: talent.  :)

-Ron


Re: Soft synth TTS-1

David H. Bailey
 

Wow, Ron, Thank You!

Or should I say SysWow64, Ron, Thank You!

I think I've forgotten more than I ever learned about DOS but I am very glad you took the time to explain that and include the actual paths and command.

Following your advice to the letter I was able to register TTS-1.dll in its new location on my hard drive, so it's outside the Cakewalk installation folder. I was trying to do that just as an exercise, and I didn't really mind being forced to keep it in its original installation location but I tested your advice and it worked like a charm!

There is a 13.5MB .dat file in the TTS-1 folder, which I am guessing is where the sound data is stored for the .dll file to call upon. So my advice to people who install Cakewalk just to get the TTS-1 soft-synth to use within BIAB is to copy or move the entire TTS-1 folder from within the "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\" folder and don't just copy or move the .dll file.

Then once people have followed Ron's clearly stated steps to register the new location they can delete the Cakewalk installation if they don't want to use it as a DAW, and end up with an excellent soft-synth to use with BIAB. And the latency with it is fairly low -- it's not adjustable but it's only 30ms. A quarter note at a tempo of quarter=120 is 500ms, an 8th note is 250ms, a 16th note is 125 ms (which is just over the latency which BIAB suggests for VST soft synths, making those harder to work with), a 32nd note is 62.5ms, a 64th note is 31.25ms -- a latency slightly less than a 64th note's worth is often better than what happens in a bar band, certainly usable even if not perfect.

Again, a big tip of the hat and a thank you to Ron for showing us the way to continue to use TTS-1 without having the complete Cakewalk installation if we don't wish to keep it on our computers.

David



On 2/6/2021 6:25 PM, rkl122 wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]
"....Once Cakewalk is installed, I tried copying the TTS-1 folder to a different hard drive, then renamed the folder it was inside of so that BIAB wouldn't be able to find it in the old location. Then I had BIAB search for new plugins. Apparently the TTS-1 synth only works when it is in its original installation folder. There must be other files that it looks for in specific folders relative to where it is installed, so it has to remain within the Cakewalk installation....."
No, it doesn't need to be in the Cakewalk installation folder.  What it *does* need is to be registered.  I haven't followed these TTS-1 threads fully, but I suspect some confusion will be cleared by perusing this link <https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=514039&Searchpage=1&Main=74183&Words=%22DXDXi+versus%22&Search=true#Post514006> , including the link contained therein.
TTS-1, as supplied with the current Cakewalk by Bandlab, is a *64 bit DXi plugin*.  If you've installed it by installing cakewalk, but *only want it* for use in  BB, try this:
(1. Install Cakewalk by Bandlab)
2. Copy the TTS-1 dll to where you want it (preferably not a VST folder simply because it's not a VST).
3. Uninstall Cakewalk
4. Open a command window as administrator.
5. Change the current directory to %systemroot%\SysWoW64\  where %systemroot% is the root directory of your windows installation drive.
6. Execute this line:
regsvr32.exe "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\TTS-1\TTS-1.dll"
*where the address between the quotes is the full address of where you put the TTS-1.dll . *
7. Open BiaB and "find" the TTS-1 plugin.  Set it as the default synth.
If the above does NOT work, please post whatever error message you get. Note that regsvr32 is a 32 bit program, but will run under Win10 64 bit.  Don't be confused by the fact that regsvr32 is 32 bit and regsvr64 (found in another directory in the root tree, is 64.  Either should register a DX dll in a Windows(64bit) registry. *EDIT */Actually both versions are named regsvr32.  It’s their directories that differ.  On 64 bit Windows, I believe either will work.  Sorry for misinformation./
This is the so called "manual registration" method for dll files.  As JFord says in the link above, windows registration is required for dll's that are DXi's but is frequently also used for VST's, primarily so hosts can check that they're properly licensed.  You usually don't "see" registration happen, because plugins are usually installed automatically by the host apps they come with.
If you are still running BiaB as 32 bit, then you'll need the 32 bit TTS-1.  I don't know whether Cakewalk by Bandlab currently supplies the 32 bit version, but I imagine it's available somewhere.
[snip]

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Re: Soft synth TTS-1

rob
 

wow I thought I started some of the talks on cakewalk too ,really good to hear all your advice      rob ! 

On Saturday, February 6, 2021, 11:59:49 p.m. EST, rkl122 <rkl122@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]

"....Once Cakewalk is installed, I tried copying the TTS-1 folder to a different hard drive, then renamed the folder it was inside of so that BIAB wouldn't be able to find it in the old location. Then I had BIAB search for new plugins. Apparently the TTS-1 synth only works when it is in its original installation folder. There must be other files that it looks for in specific folders relative to where it is installed, so it has to remain within the Cakewalk installation....."

No, it doesn't need to be in the Cakewalk installation folder.  What it does need is to be registered.  I haven't followed these TTS-1 threads fully, but I suspect some confusion will be cleared by perusing  this link , including the link contained therein.


TTS-1, as supplied with the current Cakewalk by Bandlab, is a 64 bit DXi plugin.  If you've installed it by installing cakewalk, but only want it for use in  BB, try this:

(1. Install Cakewalk by Bandlab)
2. Copy the TTS-1 folder to where you want it (preferably not a VST folder simply because it's not a VST).
3. Uninstall Cakewalk
4. Open a command window as administrator.
5. Change the current directory to
%systemroot%\SysWoW64\  where %systemroot% is the root directory of your windows installation drive.
6. Execute this line: 
regsvr32.exe "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\TTS-1\TTS-1.dll"
where the address between the quotes is the full address of where you put the TTS-1.dll . 
7. Open BiaB and "find" the TTS-1 plugin.  Set it as the default synth.

If the above does NOT work, please post whatever error message you get.  Note that regsvr32 is a 32 bit program, but will run under Win10 64 bit.  Don't be confused by the fact that regsvr32 is 32 bit and regsvr64 (found in another directory in the root tree, is 64.  Either should register a DX dll in a Windows(64bit) registry.  EDIT Actually both versions are named regsvr32.  It’s their directories that differ.  On 64 bit Windows, I believe either will work.  Sorry for misinformation.

This is the so called "manual registration" method for dll files.  As JFord says in the link above, windows registration is required for dll's that are DXi's but is frequently also used for VST's, primarily so hosts can check that they're properly licensed.  You usually don't "see" registration happen, because plugins are usually installed automatically by the host apps they come with.

If you are still running BiaB as 32 bit, then you'll need the 32 bit TTS-1.  I don't know whether Cakewalk by Bandlab currently supplies the 32 bit version, but I imagine it's available somewhere.

Hope this helps someone.
-Ron


Re: Soft synth TTS-1

D F Tweedie
 

Besides backing up my files I always try to keep a spare programmer handy.

Thanks, Ron!

On Saturday, February 6, 2021, 3:47:15 PM PST, rkl122 <rkl122@...> wrote:


[Edited Message Follows]

"....Once Cakewalk is installed, I tried copying the TTS-1 folder to a different hard drive, then renamed the folder it was inside of so that BIAB wouldn't be able to find it in the old location. Then I had BIAB search for new plugins. Apparently the TTS-1 synth only works when it is in its original installation folder. There must be other files that it looks for in specific folders relative to where it is installed, so it has to remain within the Cakewalk installation....."

No, it doesn't need to be in the Cakewalk installation folder.  What it does need is to be registered.  I haven't followed these TTS-1 threads fully, but I suspect some confusion will be cleared by perusing  this link , including the link contained therein.


TTS-1, as supplied with the current Cakewalk by Bandlab, is a 64 bit DXi plugin.  If you've installed it by installing cakewalk, but only want it for use in  BB, try this:

(1. Install Cakewalk by Bandlab)
2. Copy the TTS-1 dll to where you want it (preferably not a VST folder simply because it's not a VST).
3. Uninstall Cakewalk
4. Open a command window as administrator.
5. Change the current directory to
%systemroot%\SysWoW64\  where %systemroot% is the root directory of your windows installation drive.
6. Execute this line: 
regsvr32.exe "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\TTS-1\TTS-1.dll"
where the address between the quotes is the full address of where you put the TTS-1.dll . 
7. Open BiaB and "find" the TTS-1 plugin.  Set it as the default synth.

If the above does NOT work, please post whatever error message you get.  Note that regsvr32 is a 32 bit program, but will run under Win10 64 bit.  Don't be confused by the fact that regsvr32 is 32 bit and regsvr64 (found in another directory in the root tree, is 64.  Either should register a DX dll in a Windows(64bit) registry.

This is the so called "manual registration" method for dll files.  As JFord says in the link above, windows registration is required for dll's that are DXi's but is frequently also used for VST's, primarily so hosts can check that they're properly licensed.  You usually don't "see" registration happen, because plugins are usually installed automatically by the host apps they come with.

If you are still running BiaB as 32 bit, then you'll need the 32 bit TTS-1.  I don't know whether Cakewalk by Bandlab currently supplies the 32 bit version, but I imagine it's available somewhere.

Hope this helps someone.
-Ron


Re: Soft synth TTS-1

rkl122
 
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"....Once Cakewalk is installed, I tried copying the TTS-1 folder to a different hard drive, then renamed the folder it was inside of so that BIAB wouldn't be able to find it in the old location. Then I had BIAB search for new plugins. Apparently the TTS-1 synth only works when it is in its original installation folder. There must be other files that it looks for in specific folders relative to where it is installed, so it has to remain within the Cakewalk installation....."

No, it doesn't need to be in the Cakewalk installation folder.  What it does need is to be registered.  I haven't followed these TTS-1 threads fully, but I suspect some confusion will be cleared by perusing  this link , including the link contained therein.


TTS-1, as supplied with the current Cakewalk by Bandlab, is a 64 bit DXi plugin.  If you've installed it by installing cakewalk, but only want it for use in  BB, try this:

(1. Install Cakewalk by Bandlab)
2. Copy the TTS-1 folder to where you want it (preferably not a VST folder simply because it's not a VST).
3. Uninstall Cakewalk
4. Open a command window as administrator.
5. Change the current directory to
%systemroot%\SysWoW64\  where %systemroot% is the root directory of your windows installation drive.
6. Execute this line: 
regsvr32.exe "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\TTS-1\TTS-1.dll"
where the address between the quotes is the full address of where you put the TTS-1.dll . 
7. Open BiaB and "find" the TTS-1 plugin.  Set it as the default synth.

If the above does NOT work, please post whatever error message you get.  Note that regsvr32 is a 32 bit program, but will run under Win10 64 bit.  Don't be confused by the fact that regsvr32 is 32 bit and regsvr64 (found in another directory in the root tree, is 64.  Either should register a DX dll in a Windows(64bit) registry.  EDIT Actually both versions are named regsvr32.  It’s their directories that differ.  On 64 bit Windows, I believe either will work.  Sorry for misinformation.

This is the so called "manual registration" method for dll files.  As JFord says in the link above, windows registration is required for dll's that are DXi's but is frequently also used for VST's, primarily so hosts can check that they're properly licensed.  You usually don't "see" registration happen, because plugins are usually installed automatically by the host apps they come with.

If you are still running BiaB as 32 bit, then you'll need the 32 bit TTS-1.  I don't know whether Cakewalk by Bandlab currently supplies the 32 bit version, but I imagine it's available somewhere.

Hope this helps someone.
-Ron


Re: Soft synth TTS-1

IAN GRAHAM
 

Makes sense, DFT ! I think this is essentially what I was reflecting in saying some need to be installed and some don't, but I can well believe that age/vintage may also be a factor. The whole area is a bit of a minefield, which is why , as I said earlier, I eventually cut my losses, except for the very few I both liked and could get to work for me.


Ian G.

On 06/02/2021 18:10, D F Tweedie via groups.io wrote:
I was going to chime in on this before but hesitated because I was uncertain whether the TTS-1 was VSTi or DXi. Were it VSTi I'd agree with Ian that it should be no issue where you place it as long as you can find/ remember that path so you can find it from within the BIAB settings. With DXi I'm not so sure.

There is another issue, however. With a VSTi the *.dll (Dynamic Link Library) is a front end. That is, I don't believe it typically contains the actual content producing the audio. A CD player without a CD is the idea. Therefore it also requires a path to its 'CDs.' So in order for it to work a dll itself can also require a path to its content. Most more recent softsynths expose under settings/ options access to change that path ... but some older ones may not.

But then you must also identify where the TTS-1 'CDs' were installed with Cakewalk and not move or delete them if you want to try to install the rest of the program.

And as David said, there is generally no need to uninstall Cakewalk any way. It probably doesn't use much space and won't interfere with other things on your computer when it is not open.

On Saturday, February 6, 2021, 4:50:11 AM PST, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io <idgraham@...> wrote:


Thanks, David.

That sounds very much as if there is a deliberate spoiler in there
somewhere - my experience is that *.dll soundfonts are usually very
tolerant of being copied around, provided the computer recognises them.
i.e. Some need a specific installation, many don't.

Cheers

Ian G.


On 06/02/2021 12:33, David H. Bailey wrote:
> On 2/5/2021 10:19 PM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
>> Can I confirm if I'm understanding this right ? The following summary
>> is partly what has already been said, and partly based on my own
>> experience, and what I've read online:
>>
>> TTS-1 is a fairly elderly but quite respected GM softsynth. It
>> currently comes bundled with Bandcamp.
>>
>> What this means is that there is a TTS-1.dll somewhere in the
>> Bandcamp package.
>>
>> Can this, therefore, once found, be used independently of Bandcamp
>> i.e. imported into Biab directly, or made standalone with something
>> like Savihost or Nanohost ?
>>
>
> The location of the .dll file is C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared
> DXi\TTS-1
>
> Once Cakewalk is installed, I tried copying the TTS-1 folder to a
> different hard drive, then renamed the folder it was inside of so that
> BIAB wouldn't be able to find it in the old location.  Then I had BIAB
> search for new plugins.  Apparently the TTS-1 synth only works when it
> is in its original installation folder.  There must be other files
> that it looks for in specific folders relative to where it is
> installed, so it has to remain within the Cakewalk installation.
>
> But for most people it's not a big deal since hard-drives these days
> are so cheap and large that installing Cakewalk and not using it other
> than to have the TTS-1 soft-synth available for use in BIAB.
>
> I can't say whether it could be used as a standalone in Savihost or
> Nanohost, but apparently it can't be used at all if not in the
> original installation location.
>






Re: Soft synth TTS-1

D F Tweedie
 

I was going to chime in on this before but hesitated because I was uncertain whether the TTS-1 was VSTi or DXi. Were it VSTi I'd agree with Ian that it should be no issue where you place it as long as you can find/ remember that path so you can find it from within the BIAB settings. With DXi I'm not so sure.

There is another issue, however. With a VSTi the *.dll (Dynamic Link Library) is a front end. That is, I don't believe it typically contains the actual content producing the audio. A CD player without a CD is the idea. Therefore it also requires a path to its 'CDs.' So in order for it to work a dll itself can also require a path to its content. Most more recent softsynths expose under settings/ options access to change that path ... but some older ones may not.

But then you must also identify where the TTS-1 'CDs' were installed with Cakewalk and not move or delete them if you want to try to install the rest of the program.

And as David said, there is generally no need to uninstall Cakewalk any way. It probably doesn't use much space and won't interfere with other things on your computer when it is not open.

On Saturday, February 6, 2021, 4:50:11 AM PST, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io <idgraham@...> wrote:


Thanks, David.

That sounds very much as if there is a deliberate spoiler in there
somewhere - my experience is that *.dll soundfonts are usually very
tolerant of being copied around, provided the computer recognises them.
i.e. Some need a specific installation, many don't.

Cheers

Ian G.


On 06/02/2021 12:33, David H. Bailey wrote:
> On 2/5/2021 10:19 PM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
>> Can I confirm if I'm understanding this right ? The following summary
>> is partly what has already been said, and partly based on my own
>> experience, and what I've read online:
>>
>> TTS-1 is a fairly elderly but quite respected GM softsynth. It
>> currently comes bundled with Bandcamp.
>>
>> What this means is that there is a TTS-1.dll somewhere in the
>> Bandcamp package.
>>
>> Can this, therefore, once found, be used independently of Bandcamp
>> i.e. imported into Biab directly, or made standalone with something
>> like Savihost or Nanohost ?
>>
>
> The location of the .dll file is C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared
> DXi\TTS-1
>
> Once Cakewalk is installed, I tried copying the TTS-1 folder to a
> different hard drive, then renamed the folder it was inside of so that
> BIAB wouldn't be able to find it in the old location.  Then I had BIAB
> search for new plugins.  Apparently the TTS-1 synth only works when it
> is in its original installation folder.  There must be other files
> that it looks for in specific folders relative to where it is
> installed, so it has to remain within the Cakewalk installation.
>
> But for most people it's not a big deal since hard-drives these days
> are so cheap and large that installing Cakewalk and not using it other
> than to have the TTS-1 soft-synth available for use in BIAB.
>
> I can't say whether it could be used as a standalone in Savihost or
> Nanohost, but apparently it can't be used at all if not in the
> original installation location.
>






Re: Soft synth TTS-1

Michael Payne
 

Many thanks too you Ian

On 6 Feb 2021, at 12:50, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io <idgraham=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks, David.

That sounds very much as if there is a deliberate spoiler in there
somewhere - my experience is that *.dll soundfonts are usually very
tolerant of being copied around, provided the computer recognises them.
i.e. Some need a specific installation, many don't.

Cheers

Ian G.


On 06/02/2021 12:33, David H. Bailey wrote:
On 2/5/2021 10:19 PM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
Can I confirm if I'm understanding this right ? The following summary
is partly what has already been said, and partly based on my own
experience, and what I've read online:

TTS-1 is a fairly elderly but quite respected GM softsynth. It
currently comes bundled with Bandcamp.

What this means is that there is a TTS-1.dll somewhere in the
Bandcamp package.

Can this, therefore, once found, be used independently of Bandcamp
i.e. imported into Biab directly, or made standalone with something
like Savihost or Nanohost ?
The location of the .dll file is C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared
DXi\TTS-1

Once Cakewalk is installed, I tried copying the TTS-1 folder to a
different hard drive, then renamed the folder it was inside of so that
BIAB wouldn't be able to find it in the old location. Then I had BIAB
search for new plugins. Apparently the TTS-1 synth only works when it
is in its original installation folder. There must be other files
that it looks for in specific folders relative to where it is
installed, so it has to remain within the Cakewalk installation.

But for most people it's not a big deal since hard-drives these days
are so cheap and large that installing Cakewalk and not using it other
than to have the TTS-1 soft-synth available for use in BIAB.

I can't say whether it could be used as a standalone in Savihost or
Nanohost, but apparently it can't be used at all if not in the
original installation location.




Re: Link to Cakewalk

etcjoe
 

Cakewalk by Bandlab, used to be Sonar and is a full featured professional level DAW. Gibson bought Cakewalk a few years ago and abandoned the program when their subscription model did not work Bandlab bought it and made it free. They also update the software about monthly adding features and keeping it up to state of the art basically. It can be as simple or as complex as you want it. All DAWs are basically the same, you tell them where to find your VSTs, you add tracks (instrument, midi, audio etc.) select the inputs and the outputs and go to town. YouTube videos are very prevalent and can show you anything you need to learn. The old cakewalk website still exists and the help there is useful as well. If you happened to own an old version of Sonar, such as the platinum from a few years ago, all that stuff still works which is a lot of instruments, effects, mastering tools etc. 

I don't find many DAWs intuitive as in you can just open it and instantly know what to do. Even RealBand has a learning curve.

When I first bought Sonar many many years ago, I just dug into the manuals, help files, videos etc. and learned by doing. For me that is the only way.

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