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Re: Soft synths

David H. Bailey
 

On 2/2/2021 11:07 AM, Hayward Martin wrote:
I have been scanning the PGMUSIC BIAB forums an read about the Cakewalk TTS-1 synthesizer that comes with BIAB and integrates with it.   It’s not obvious (at least not to me). This is BIAB 2021, don’t know that it’s applicable to earlier versions.
[snip]

Thanks for pointing out that Cakewalk's TTS-1 synth comes with BIAB! I just tested it and it is far superior to the Coyote soft-synth.

To use it I went to the Options / Midi-Audio Driver Setup and then clicked on the "Use VST/DXi Synth" check box and then a dialog opened up showing all that was installed on my machine. I selected the Cakewalk TTS-1 and then when the dialog showing that opened up I simply closed that dialog and clicked okay when the BIAB dialog suggested switching the Bass Drum Note to 36 for that soft-synth, and when I got back to the main BIAB screen I clicked "Play" and the sounds that came out were very good. Almost as good as from my Ketron SD2 or my Yamaha keyboard. After testing the TTS-1 soft-synth I went back to the Options - Midi/Audio Driver Setup dialog and unchecked that box for using a soft-synth and then aswered YES to switch the bass drum note back to 35 and got back to the main BIAB screen.

This has been a most enlightening discussion!


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Re: Soft synths

D F Tweedie
 

@Hayward ... For what it's worth VSTi's (softsynths or virtual instruments) are agnostic on the Windows platforms. That is, it doesn't matter other than CPU power and available RAM what year/ edition of software you are using to host a softsynth. So any VSTi (Steinbergs 'Virtual Studio Technology instrument) softsynth will run on any program, PG Music or otherwise, that supports VST hosting. Today they virtually all do.

@David ... Steinberg's entry level and up versions of Cubase throw in Halion SE (Halion Special Edition), which includes a feature to automatically open in GM mode with full soundset. That is, if you import a MIDI file and instantiate Halion SE, it will load with the correct instruments per channel.

There is also an advanced, full version of Halion that sells separately. It has some additional functions and a very large collection of sounds beyond GM which are categorized in such a way as to very easily be auditioned in the case you might want something close to but more distinctive than the stock GM voice.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021, 8:08:18 AM PST, Hayward Martin <haywardmartin@...> wrote:


I have been scanning the PGMUSIC BIAB forums an read about the Cakewalk TTS-1 synthesizer that comes with BIAB and integrates with it.   It’s not obvious (at least not to me).  This is BIAB 2021, don’t know that it’s applicable to earlier versions.  

 

I have placed a OneDrive link below, just incase my screenshots don’t show up below, in this email…

 

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Asf_MVrLFgfY0PEyFxMv14hu27YUIg?e=NblnSa

 

Below (hopefully) there’s a screenshot of MIDI Driver Tab in the Options/Preferences pull down menu.   This is  how I have my settings setup…

 

 

 

Now, when I go to the Mixer, Under the the PLUG-Ins Tab you can see “Default-Synth” as the first plug-in listed for each MIDI track.   If you RIGHT-CLICK on “Default-Synth”, the TTS-1 Mixer will show up.  For me, this sound incredibly better that what I’ve been dealing with previously.  

 

 

Hope this helps someone!

 

Hayward

 

From: David H. Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Soft synths

 

Ian gave one reason (cost) but another reason (get the pun?) is that
they're not all "plug and play" GM ready.  At least that has been my
experience.  All the ones you mention are very powerful and have great
sounds but for instance trying to use a muted trumpet in a GM-based
soft-synth just means changing to a different patch.  Trying to get a
muted sound for Garritan requires activating a keyswitch.

Unless they all come with a GM mode that I'm not aware of, which may
well be because I haven't spent a lot of time investigating them.  I do
use Garritan Personal Orchestra because it can work with Finale, but
even that takes special handling to get all the desired sounds.

I've never worked with Arturia and the limited experience I've had with
IK-Multimedia has been less than wonderful.

But I'm very happy to be corrected about how easy it is to use any of
those with BIAB.

David


On 2/2/2021 6:51 AM, Jim Mings wrote:
> I am curious. Why has no one mentioned native instruments, IK ,Arturia, or Garritan for example. Am I misunderstanding the Termanology for soft synth.  Jim
>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:44 AM, David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@...> wrote:
>>
>> Ian -- thanks for making sure your message made it to the group.
>> The original had made it through, showing a time stamp of 4:51pm (my local time when it arrived here in New Hampshire, USA).  I just wanted to reassure that it made it to the group but I can't explain why you didn't get a copy posted back to you.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/2/2021 5:29 AM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
>>> Morning all. I posted last night as a 'reply' to the thread about soft synths and 'hard' synths, and am a bit surprised not to find it in my inbox this morning, so am reposting afresh.
>>> Like David, I’m a long-time Ketron SD2 user. But last summer for probably a couple of months I did look very seriously and widely at soft-synths. If you’d simply like an alternative to Timbres of Heaven, there’s a GM set called GeneralUser GS which you can probably find online as an sf2. There are also a couple of abandonware sets from Edirol - Edirol Orchestral and Edirol Hyper Canvas or Hypersound Canvas. They can be run as standalones, so asvirtually a self-contained sound source. Another possibility to explore is that a lot of producer effort and invention now goes into ‘plugins’, and although the majority are more controller-tweaks, there are some very good sound sources. e.g. one called !Xpand2. These last three I have added to my kit, but in the end I felt that the full sound font thing was just more trouble than it was worth, and I continue to use the SD2 as my main sound box.


Re: Soft synths

Arthur Trinchera
 

I used to be good at using sf2's and plugins back in 201, then wasn't using biab until 2020 when I got the update. ( Long story) Now I've forgotten how to do it. Are there any tutorials on how to do this?
I remember it greatly enhanced the midi sounds. Right now I only have Coyote. 
Also I have a very large folder of vst but most seem obsolete now. I seem to need the little program that converts 32 bit to 64 but. I can't remember what that's called. Any thoughts?
Thank you,
Arthur

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 2:29 AM IAN GRAHAM via groups.io <idgraham=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Morning all. I posted last night as a 'reply' to the thread about soft synths and 'hard' synths, and am a bit surprised not to find it in my inbox this morning, so am reposting afresh.

Like David, I’m a long-time Ketron SD2 user. But last summer for probably a couple of months I did look very seriously and widely at soft-synths. If you’d simply like an alternative to Timbres of Heaven, there’s a GM set called GeneralUser GS which you can probably find online as an sf2. There are also a couple of abandonware sets from Edirol - Edirol Orchestral and Edirol Hyper Canvas or Hypersound Canvas. They can be run as standalones, so as virtually a self-contained sound source. Another possibility to explore is that a lot of producer effort and invention now goes into ‘plugins’, and although the majority are more controller-tweaks, there are some very good sound sources. e.g. one called !Xpand2. These last three I have added to my kit, but in the end I felt that the full sound font thing was just more trouble than it was worth, and I continue to use the SD2 as my main sound box.

Ian G.

Wales UK


Re: Soft synths

Hayward Martin
 

I have been scanning the PGMUSIC BIAB forums an read about the Cakewalk TTS-1 synthesizer that comes with BIAB and integrates with it.   It’s not obvious (at least not to me).  This is BIAB 2021, don’t know that it’s applicable to earlier versions.  

 

I have placed a OneDrive link below, just incase my screenshots don’t show up below, in this email…

 

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Asf_MVrLFgfY0PEyFxMv14hu27YUIg?e=NblnSa

 

Below (hopefully) there’s a screenshot of MIDI Driver Tab in the Options/Preferences pull down menu.   This is  how I have my settings setup…

 

 

 

Now, when I go to the Mixer, Under the the PLUG-Ins Tab you can see “Default-Synth” as the first plug-in listed for each MIDI track.   If you RIGHT-CLICK on “Default-Synth”, the TTS-1 Mixer will show up.  For me, this sound incredibly better that what I’ve been dealing with previously.  

 

 

Hope this helps someone!

 

Hayward

 

From: David H. Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Soft synths

 

Ian gave one reason (cost) but another reason (get the pun?) is that
they're not all "plug and play" GM ready.  At least that has been my
experience.  All the ones you mention are very powerful and have great
sounds but for instance trying to use a muted trumpet in a GM-based
soft-synth just means changing to a different patch.  Trying to get a
muted sound for Garritan requires activating a keyswitch.

Unless they all come with a GM mode that I'm not aware of, which may
well be because I haven't spent a lot of time investigating them.  I do
use Garritan Personal Orchestra because it can work with Finale, but
even that takes special handling to get all the desired sounds.

I've never worked with Arturia and the limited experience I've had with
IK-Multimedia has been less than wonderful.

But I'm very happy to be corrected about how easy it is to use any of
those with BIAB.

David


On 2/2/2021 6:51 AM, Jim Mings wrote:
> I am curious. Why has no one mentioned native instruments, IK ,Arturia, or Garritan for example. Am I misunderstanding the Termanology for soft synth.  Jim
>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:44 AM, David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@...> wrote:
>>
>> Ian -- thanks for making sure your message made it to the group.
>> The original had made it through, showing a time stamp of 4:51pm (my local time when it arrived here in New Hampshire, USA).  I just wanted to reassure that it made it to the group but I can't explain why you didn't get a copy posted back to you.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/2/2021 5:29 AM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
>>> Morning all. I posted last night as a 'reply' to the thread about soft synths and 'hard' synths, and am a bit surprised not to find it in my inbox this morning, so am reposting afresh.
>>> Like David, I’m a long-time Ketron SD2 user. But last summer for probably a couple of months I did look very seriously and widely at soft-synths. If you’d simply like an alternative to Timbres of Heaven, there’s a GM set called GeneralUser GS which you can probably find online as an sf2. There are also a couple of abandonware sets from Edirol - Edirol Orchestral and Edirol Hyper Canvas or Hypersound Canvas. They can be run as standalones, so asvirtually a self-contained sound source. Another possibility to explore is that a lot of producer effort and invention now goes into ‘plugins’, and although the majority are more controller-tweaks, there are some very good sound sources. e.g. one called !Xpand2. These last three I have added to my kit, but in the end I felt that the full sound font thing was just more trouble than it was worth, and I continue to use the SD2 as my main sound box.
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Re: Soft synths

David H. Bailey
 

Ian gave one reason (cost) but another reason (get the pun?) is that they're not all "plug and play" GM ready. At least that has been my experience. All the ones you mention are very powerful and have great sounds but for instance trying to use a muted trumpet in a GM-based soft-synth just means changing to a different patch. Trying to get a muted sound for Garritan requires activating a keyswitch.

Unless they all come with a GM mode that I'm not aware of, which may well be because I haven't spent a lot of time investigating them. I do use Garritan Personal Orchestra because it can work with Finale, but even that takes special handling to get all the desired sounds.

I've never worked with Arturia and the limited experience I've had with IK-Multimedia has been less than wonderful.

But I'm very happy to be corrected about how easy it is to use any of those with BIAB.

David

On 2/2/2021 6:51 AM, Jim Mings wrote:
I am curious. Why has no one mentioned native instruments, IK ,Arturia, or Garritan for example. Am I misunderstanding the Termanology for soft synth. Jim
On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:44 AM, David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@comcast.net> wrote:

Ian -- thanks for making sure your message made it to the group.
The original had made it through, showing a time stamp of 4:51pm (my local time when it arrived here in New Hampshire, USA). I just wanted to reassure that it made it to the group but I can't explain why you didn't get a copy posted back to you.

David



On 2/2/2021 5:29 AM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
Morning all. I posted last night as a 'reply' to the thread about soft synths and 'hard' synths, and am a bit surprised not to find it in my inbox this morning, so am reposting afresh.
Like David, I’m a long-time Ketron SD2 user. But last summer for probably a couple of months I did look very seriously and widely at soft-synths. If you’d simply like an alternative to Timbres of Heaven, there’s a GM set called GeneralUser GS which you can probably find online as an sf2. There are also a couple of abandonware sets from Edirol - Edirol Orchestral and Edirol Hyper Canvas or Hypersound Canvas. They can be run as standalones, so asvirtually a self-contained sound source. Another possibility to explore is that a lot of producer effort and invention now goes into ‘plugins’, and although the majority are more controller-tweaks, there are some very good sound sources. e.g. one called !Xpand2. These last three I have added to my kit, but in the end I felt that the full sound font thing was just more trouble than it was worth, and I continue to use the SD2 as my main sound box.
[snip]> _._,_._,_


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Re: Soft synths

IAN GRAHAM
 

Well, one part of the answer is cost !

Ian G.

On 02/02/2021 11:51, Jim Mings wrote:
I am curious. Why has no one mentioned native instruments, IK ,Arturia, or Garritan for example. Am I misunderstanding the Termanology for soft synth. Jim
On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:44 AM, David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@comcast.net> wrote:

Ian -- thanks for making sure your message made it to the group.
The original had made it through, showing a time stamp of 4:51pm (my local time when it arrived here in New Hampshire, USA). I just wanted to reassure that it made it to the group but I can't explain why you didn't get a copy posted back to you.

David



On 2/2/2021 5:29 AM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
Morning all. I posted last night as a 'reply' to the thread about soft synths and 'hard' synths, and am a bit surprised not to find it in my inbox this morning, so am reposting afresh.
Like David, I’m a long-time Ketron SD2 user. But last summer for probably a couple of months I did look very seriously and widely at soft-synths. If you’d simply like an alternative to Timbres of Heaven, there’s a GM set called GeneralUser GS which you can probably find online as an sf2. There are also a couple of abandonware sets from Edirol - Edirol Orchestral and Edirol Hyper Canvas or Hypersound Canvas. They can be run as standalones, so asvirtually a self-contained sound source. Another possibility to explore is that a lot of producer effort and invention now goes into ‘plugins’, and although the majority are more controller-tweaks, there are some very good sound sources. e.g. one called !Xpand2. These last three I have added to my kit, but in the end I felt that the full sound font thing was just more trouble than it was worth, and I continue to use the SD2 as my main sound box.
[snip]> _._,_._,_


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Re: Soft synths

Jim Mings
 

I am curious. Why has no one mentioned native instruments, IK ,Arturia, or Garritan for example. Am I misunderstanding the Termanology for soft synth. Jim

On Feb 2, 2021, at 5:44 AM, David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@comcast.net> wrote:

Ian -- thanks for making sure your message made it to the group.
The original had made it through, showing a time stamp of 4:51pm (my local time when it arrived here in New Hampshire, USA). I just wanted to reassure that it made it to the group but I can't explain why you didn't get a copy posted back to you.

David



On 2/2/2021 5:29 AM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
Morning all. I posted last night as a 'reply' to the thread about soft synths and 'hard' synths, and am a bit surprised not to find it in my inbox this morning, so am reposting afresh.
Like David, I’m a long-time Ketron SD2 user. But last summer for probably a couple of months I did look very seriously and widely at soft-synths. If you’d simply like an alternative to Timbres of Heaven, there’s a GM set called GeneralUser GS which you can probably find online as an sf2. There are also a couple of abandonware sets from Edirol - Edirol Orchestral and Edirol Hyper Canvas or Hypersound Canvas. They can be run as standalones, so asvirtually a self-contained sound source. Another possibility to explore is that a lot of producer effort and invention now goes into ‘plugins’, and although the majority are more controller-tweaks, there are some very good sound sources. e.g. one called !Xpand2. These last three I have added to my kit, but in the end I felt that the full sound font thing was just more trouble than it was worth, and I continue to use the SD2 as my main sound box.
[snip]> _._,_._,_


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Re: Soft synths

David H. Bailey
 

Ian -- thanks for making sure your message made it to the group.
The original had made it through, showing a time stamp of 4:51pm (my local time when it arrived here in New Hampshire, USA). I just wanted to reassure that it made it to the group but I can't explain why you didn't get a copy posted back to you.

David



On 2/2/2021 5:29 AM, IAN GRAHAM via groups.io wrote:
Morning all. I posted last night as a 'reply' to the thread about soft synths and 'hard' synths, and am a bit surprised not to find it in my inbox this morning, so am reposting afresh.
Like David, I’m a long-time Ketron SD2 user. But last summer for probably a couple of months I did look very seriously and widely at soft-synths. If you’d simply like an alternative to Timbres of Heaven, there’s a GM set called GeneralUser GS which you can probably find online as an sf2. There are also a couple of abandonware sets from Edirol - Edirol Orchestral and Edirol Hyper Canvas or Hypersound Canvas. They can be run as standalones, so asvirtually a self-contained sound source. Another possibility to explore is that a lot of producer effort and invention now goes into ‘plugins’, and although the majority are more controller-tweaks, there are some very good sound sources. e.g. one called !Xpand2. These last three I have added to my kit, but in the end I felt that the full sound font thing was just more trouble than it was worth, and I continue to use the SD2 as my main sound box.
[snip]> _._,_._,_


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Soft synths

IAN GRAHAM
 

Morning all. I posted last night as a 'reply' to the thread about soft synths and 'hard' synths, and am a bit surprised not to find it in my inbox this morning, so am reposting afresh.

Like David, I’m a long-time Ketron SD2 user. But last summer for probably a couple of months I did look very seriously and widely at soft-synths. If you’d simply like an alternative to Timbres of Heaven, there’s a GM set called GeneralUser GS which you can probably find online as an sf2. There are also a couple of abandonware sets from Edirol - Edirol Orchestral and Edirol Hyper Canvas or Hypersound Canvas. They can be run as standalones, so as virtually a self-contained sound source. Another possibility to explore is that a lot of producer effort and invention now goes into ‘plugins’, and although the majority are more controller-tweaks, there are some very good sound sources. e.g. one called !Xpand2. These last three I have added to my kit, but in the end I felt that the full sound font thing was just more trouble than it was worth, and I continue to use the SD2 as my main sound box.

Ian G.

Wales UK


Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

IAN GRAHAM
 

Like David, I’m a long-time Ketron SD2 user. But last summer for probably a couple of months I did look very seriously and widely at soft-synths. If you’d simply like an alternative to Timbres of Heaven, there’s a GM set called GeneralUser GS which you can probably find online as an sf2. There are also a couple of abandonware sets from Edirol - Edirol Orchestral and Edirol Hyper Canvas or Hypersound Canvas. They can be run as standalones, so as virtually a self-contained sound source. Another possibility to explore is that a lot of producer effort and invention now goes into ‘plugins’, and although the majority are more controller-tweaks, there are some very good sound sources. e.g. one called !Xpand2. These last three I have added to my kit, but in the end I felt that the full sound font thing was just more trouble than it was worth, and I continue to use the SD2 as my main sound box.

Ian G.

Wales UK

On 01/02/2021 20:39, David H. Bailey wrote:
I haven't really looked to see what's available these days since I'm set with my equipment.

The Ketron SD2 is great.  I don't know if the Edirol modules are still made but they were very good.

Kurzweil modules, as long as they are either automatically in GM mode or can be put in GM mode easily are excellent.

My advice would be to contact a sales rep at Sweetwater.com -- they're very knowledgeable and can guide you and in my experience there is zero pressure to buy.

I'm sorry I don't know more specifics to tell you -- I'd have to do a google search to see what's available these days.  If you find something you think might be good.  Feel free to e-mail the link and I'll be happy to check it out and let you know what I think about it.

David


On 2/1/2021 2:17 PM, Frank Curran wrote:
Hi David, can you please name some of these good sounding Midi modules?

-Frank

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Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2021 8:03 am
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

On 2/1/2021 10:34 AM, Frank Curran via groups.io wrote:
 > Thanks Bob for this excellent process outline. It’s easy to see you have
 > learned a lot via extensive experience. When using MIDI files how do you
 > get good quality sound in the end product? In your experience don’t MIDI
 > files sound ‘artificial’, not like a recording of actual musicians?
 >
[snip]

I'm not Bob, but I can answer your question --

MIDI has no sound on its own.

MIDI is just a series of instructions to some other module or
synthesizer to produce certain note-numbers at certain volumes for
certain lengths of time starting at certain points in time.

MIDI is just like a recipe in a cookbook.

If the MIDI instructions are sent to an excellent sounding module or
synthesizer which has great samples in it, great very natural sounding
music comes out.

If the MIDI instructions are sent to a horrible little FM synthesizer
tucked into a cheap computer soundcard, then the music comes out
sounding like very poor AM-quality radio broadcasts.

Bob uses excellent modules and synthesizers so the resultant music for
he and Leilani to play/sing along with is excellent.

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Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

David H. Bailey
 

I haven't really looked to see what's available these days since I'm set with my equipment.

The Ketron SD2 is great. I don't know if the Edirol modules are still made but they were very good.

Kurzweil modules, as long as they are either automatically in GM mode or can be put in GM mode easily are excellent.

My advice would be to contact a sales rep at Sweetwater.com -- they're very knowledgeable and can guide you and in my experience there is zero pressure to buy.

I'm sorry I don't know more specifics to tell you -- I'd have to do a google search to see what's available these days. If you find something you think might be good. Feel free to e-mail the link and I'll be happy to check it out and let you know what I think about it.

David

On 2/1/2021 2:17 PM, Frank Curran wrote:
Hi David, can you please name some of these good sounding Midi modules?
-Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@comcast.net>
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2021 8:03 am
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams
On 2/1/2021 10:34 AM, Frank Curran via groups.io wrote:
> Thanks Bob for this excellent process outline. It’s easy to see you have
> learned a lot via extensive experience. When using MIDI files how do you
> get good quality sound in the end product? In your experience don’t MIDI
> files sound ‘artificial’, not like a recording of actual musicians?
>
[snip]
I'm not Bob, but I can answer your question --
MIDI has no sound on its own.
MIDI is just a series of instructions to some other module or
synthesizer to produce certain note-numbers at certain volumes for
certain lengths of time starting at certain points in time.
MIDI is just like a recipe in a cookbook.
If the MIDI instructions are sent to an excellent sounding module or
synthesizer which has great samples in it, great very natural sounding
music comes out.
If the MIDI instructions are sent to a horrible little FM synthesizer
tucked into a cheap computer soundcard, then the music comes out
sounding like very poor AM-quality radio broadcasts.
Bob uses excellent modules and synthesizers so the resultant music for
he and Leilani to play/sing along with is excellent.
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Re: Celtic Music #BiaB2021

rob
 


thankyou Alf for your help                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      rob ! 

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 10:17:25 a.m. EST, Alf Warnock <alf.warnock@...> wrote:


I don't play Celtic music these days. My friends say I've gone over to the dark side - Jazz. I have not been keeping my web site current and some of the links don't work but the BIAB and abc files should be OK. Help yourself.
PGmusic has much better Celtic styles now. I've only sampled a few but they sounded good.

BIAB 2021 will export to abc but doesn't import. There are abc programs that will export as midi so you can import that into BIAB. I've been using EasyABC (on Sourceforge). I just noticed that it also exports as Musicxml.
Musescore has a plugin that will import abc. The few times I've tried it, it worked well. If your abc file has chords, you can import it into Musescore, save as xml then import to BIAB. 
Good luck with the diddly-diddly music. ;=)


Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

Frank Curran
 

Hi David, can you please name some of these good sounding Midi modules?

-Frank

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From: David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@...>
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On 2/1/2021 10:34 AM, Frank Curran via groups.io wrote:
> Thanks Bob for this excellent process outline. It’s easy to see you have
> learned a lot via extensive experience. When using MIDI files how do you
> get good quality sound in the end product? In your experience don’t MIDI
> files sound ‘artificial’, not like a recording of actual musicians?
>
[snip]

I'm not Bob, but I can answer your question --

MIDI has no sound on its own.

MIDI is just a series of instructions to some other module or
synthesizer to produce certain note-numbers at certain volumes for
certain lengths of time starting at certain points in time.

MIDI is just like a recipe in a cookbook.

If the MIDI instructions are sent to an excellent sounding module or
synthesizer which has great samples in it, great very natural sounding
music comes out.

If the MIDI instructions are sent to a horrible little FM synthesizer
tucked into a cheap computer soundcard, then the music comes out
sounding like very poor AM-quality radio broadcasts.

Bob uses excellent modules and synthesizers so the resultant music for
he and Leilani to play/sing along with is excellent.

--
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David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@...
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com






Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

David H. Bailey
 

On 2/1/2021 11:36 AM, Hayward Martin wrote:
Sorry, it got away from me... I was saying that I use Coolsoft Virtual MIDI Synth with "Timbers of Heaven" sound fonts, with not very good results.
[snip]

I'm sorry but I don't know soft-synths these days. I do know there are many free soundfonts which are general-midi compatible, so you might do well to search for some others.

When I'm working in my studio I use the GM sounds in my Yamaha DGX-650 Portable Grand (it's not shaped any thing like a grand piano, but the sounds are very good). When I'm working with my laptop computer, not in my studio, I use the Ketron SD2 module. In the past I've used a Kurzweil PC88mx (no longer made) which had wonderful sounds, and I've also used a Kurzweil module (can't remember the model name/number).

I've always been more of a hardware person than software when it came to synths. I did have the East-West/QuantumLogic Goliath which claimed to be GM-based, running through their Play software, but the drums never worked out properly to be easy to use with BIAB.

I hope others will chime in with their suggestions for decent soft-synths these days.


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Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

Hayward Martin
 

Sorry, it got away from me... I was saying that I use Coolsoft Virtual MIDI Synth with "Timbers of Heaven" sound fonts, with not very good results.


Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

Hayward Martin
 

David, Can you recommend a good set-up to use with BIAB, for software synthesizer.  I use Coolsoft


From: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io> on behalf of David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@...>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:03:47 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams
 
On 2/1/2021 10:34 AM, Frank Curran via groups.io wrote:
> Thanks Bob for this excellent process outline. It’s easy to see you have
> learned a lot via extensive experience. When using MIDI files how do you
> get good quality sound in the end product? In your experience don’t MIDI
> files sound ‘artificial’, not like a recording of actual musicians?
>
[snip]

I'm not Bob, but I can answer your question --

MIDI has no sound on its own.

MIDI is just a series of instructions to some other module or
synthesizer to produce certain note-numbers at certain volumes for
certain lengths of time starting at certain points in time.

MIDI is just like a recipe in a cookbook.

If the MIDI instructions are sent to an excellent sounding module or
synthesizer which has great samples in it, great very natural sounding
music comes out.

If the MIDI instructions are sent to a horrible little FM synthesizer
tucked into a cheap computer soundcard, then the music comes out
sounding like very poor AM-quality radio broadcasts.

Bob uses excellent modules and synthesizers so the resultant music for
he and Leilani to play/sing along with is excellent.

--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@...
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com






Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

David H. Bailey
 

On 2/1/2021 10:34 AM, Frank Curran via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Bob for this excellent process outline. It’s easy to see you have learned a lot via extensive experience. When using MIDI files how do you get good quality sound in the end product? In your experience don’t MIDI files sound ‘artificial’, not like a recording of actual musicians?
[snip]

I'm not Bob, but I can answer your question --

MIDI has no sound on its own.

MIDI is just a series of instructions to some other module or synthesizer to produce certain note-numbers at certain volumes for certain lengths of time starting at certain points in time.

MIDI is just like a recipe in a cookbook.

If the MIDI instructions are sent to an excellent sounding module or synthesizer which has great samples in it, great very natural sounding music comes out.

If the MIDI instructions are sent to a horrible little FM synthesizer tucked into a cheap computer soundcard, then the music comes out sounding like very poor AM-quality radio broadcasts.

Bob uses excellent modules and synthesizers so the resultant music for he and Leilani to play/sing along with is excellent.

--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: Performing With Band-in-a-box – Guest Blog Post by Roy Woolliams

Frank Curran
 

Thanks Bob for this excellent process outline. It’s easy to see you have learned a lot via extensive experience. When using MIDI files how do you get good quality sound in the end product? In your experience don’t MIDI files sound ‘artificial’, not like a recording of actual musicians?

—Frank Curran


On Jan 31, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...> wrote:


On 1/26/2021 10:15 PM, bsfdl wrote:
AMEN !

For the backing tracks for my duo I only use MIDI. I use either a PG Music style, a Norton Music style, or I start from scratch if there is no appropriate style for the song I'm sequencing.

Even when I use a PG or Norton style, much goes into it after I export from BiaB and before I'm done. Here is a sampling of what I might do to a song before it's ready for stage:
  • I may add an instrument for song specific licks, and/or modify existing instruments for those song specifkc licks
  • I will look for BiaB's wrong notes and fix them (with MIDI the right note is a click or two away). Yes BiaB does occasionaly play a wrong note here and there
  • I might change the inversion or octave of some parts. Sometimes BiaB might make one bar or two in the comp part an octave too high
  • I'll get rid of the 3rds in a 5 chord (some call them power chords, but really they are a 1-5 interval)
  • I may move drum rolls around, erase them when I don't want them before an A/B or B/A section change
  • Change instruments, that piano might sound better for this song as a Rhodes or a jazz guitar. That guitar might sound better muted, as a clav, or simply as a guitar with different tone, that brass section might sound better as a sax section, etc.
  • I might change certain drum instruments, say a cowbell to a ride bell, it's just a click and drag away
  • It might need a long intro or end (many of my user styles at nortonmusic.com have MIDI long intros and ends that can be copied and pasted, or I might make one of my own
  • I might add ritardandos, accelerandos, crescendos, or diminuendos - some things BiaB is not good at, but are easy in a sequencer or DAW
  • Sometimes the shots in BiaB don't include all the instruments, easily done in MIDI
  • Sometimes a shot is not enough and you need a rhythmic kick, can't do that in real tracks
  • And so on. MIDI is thousands of times more editable than audio and manipulating the MIDI output can make the good output of Band-in-a-Box into something truly excellent. 

When I'm all done adding/subtracting/switching/manipulating I balance the parts and record as a WAV file. With hard drive capacities as large as they are today, I'd keep them in the WAV format, but I started doing this in the prehistoric microcomputer days when storage was limited so I rip them to a 192kbps mp3 file often with VBR and always with the Q (quality) set at the highest setting.

Don't get me wrong, IMO BiaB is still the best auto-accompaniment app out there, hardware or software -- and I've written styles under contract for a few others. But IMO it is not ready for gigging. Oh, you can get by with it, but why get by when with a little time invested you can be better than your competition?

It does take some time, and the more you do it the better you get at it, but it's PLAYing music, and isn't that what we do? We don't call it working music or laboring music; it's called playing music for a good reason.

Insights and incites by Notes

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Bob "Notes" Norton • owner, Norton Music • http://www.nortonmusic.com
BiaB User Styles that will make your band 'Jump-Out-Of-The-Box'.



Re: Celtic Music #BiaB2021

Alf Warnock
 

I don't play Celtic music these days. My friends say I've gone over to the dark side - Jazz. I have not been keeping my web site current and some of the links don't work but the BIAB and abc files should be OK. Help yourself.
PGmusic has much better Celtic styles now. I've only sampled a few but they sounded good.

BIAB 2021 will export to abc but doesn't import. There are abc programs that will export as midi so you can import that into BIAB. I've been using EasyABC (on Sourceforge). I just noticed that it also exports as Musicxml.
Musescore has a plugin that will import abc. The few times I've tried it, it worked well. If your abc file has chords, you can import it into Musescore, save as xml then import to BIAB. 
Good luck with the diddly-diddly music. ;=)


Re: Celtic Music #BiaB2021

David H. Bailey
 

On 2/1/2021 8:07 AM, rob via groups.io wrote:
David, I guess anything that has to do with this style of music, and I will also look through the archives to, thanks David   rob!
A simple google search for "band in a box celtic" returned this site, which looks very promising:
<http://www.alfwarnock.info/alfs/biab.php>


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