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Re: Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release

D F Tweedie
 

Not sure what you mean by 'called transients.' I know what they are, but that is not what I am referring to. What I mean by 'simultaneous' hit is that if a snare and kick or snare and hat hit at the same moment in time, then Regroover doesn't do a very good job of separating them out. Bleed in multi tracks is a little different as track to track the bleed will be lower than the actual recorded performance of the mic on the instrument of interest. So snare bleed on a kick track can be gated or dealt with in various ways. But with the mixed drums such as RealDrums it is different.

I'd still like to know whether or not the RealCharts 'drum notation' is something that within BIAB can be rendered as MIDI.

On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 10:41:59 PM PST, Media Production <media_production@...> wrote:


Ya its called transients and a good plugin for that is Isotope Elements 9......even with the best natural drum recording in the studio...there is always going to be bleed from the drum mics—the best solution is to convert the wav files to MIDI using Melodyne 5 Studio and retrigger new ONE SHOT high quality wav drum samples---I personally love and use XLN Audio Addictive Drums--- once your drum mapping is done inside Addictive drums you can easily assign individual outputs to your DAW and set up drum bus.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release
 
Thanks for the tip. I have it too but the problem is that it still carries the ambience and simultaneous hits across to the drum you are trying to separate.
 
On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 5:32:25 PM PST, Media Production <media_production@...> wrote:
 
 
 
as a workaround to separate BIAB drums into separate stems I use Accusonus Regroover 3rd party plugin in my DAW—dragging BIAB drum wav file into Accusonus Regroover
Rodger
 
 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:48 AM
Subject: [Band-In-A-Box] Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release
 
Something I guess I'm going to have to keep on wishing for is individual tracks for the RealDrum kits. I'd like to be able to process kick, snare, hats, toms, overheads and room separately.
 
With that in mind I'm wondering if the RealCharts 'drum notation' means something that can be translated to a MIDI file within the program so that you could export it and generate a version with a drum VSTi.
 
If someone know, please reply.
 
On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 6:25:30 AM PST, Roy Robinson via groupsio <robinson_yh2@...> wrote:
 
 
here's a quick top three, in no order

  • all RealDrums have RealCharts (with accurate Drum Notation
  • Mixer has been improved with many customizable display options
  • Chord Sheet has been improved with new zoom buttons and time signature display on the part marker
  • 16 new editable Utility tracks, which can be used for audio and/or MIDI.
@DavidBailey  I heard shipping starts about Dec 8th


Re: Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release

Media Production
 

Ya its called transients and a good plugin for that is Isotope Elements 9......even with the best natural drum recording in the studio...there is always going to be bleed from the drum mics—the best solution is to convert the wav files to MIDI using Melodyne 5 Studio and retrigger new ONE SHOT high quality wav drum samples---I personally love and use XLN Audio Addictive Drums--- once your drum mapping is done inside Addictive drums you can easily assign individual outputs to your DAW and set up drum bus.
 
Rodger
 

Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release
 
Thanks for the tip. I have it too but the problem is that it still carries the ambience and simultaneous hits across to the drum you are trying to separate.
 
On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 5:32:25 PM PST, Media Production <media_production@...> wrote:
 
 
 
as a workaround to separate BIAB drums into separate stems I use Accusonus Regroover 3rd party plugin in my DAW—dragging BIAB drum wav file into Accusonus Regroover
Rodger
 
 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:48 AM
Subject: [Band-In-A-Box] Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release
 
Something I guess I'm going to have to keep on wishing for is individual tracks for the RealDrum kits. I'd like to be able to process kick, snare, hats, toms, overheads and room separately.
 
With that in mind I'm wondering if the RealCharts 'drum notation' means something that can be translated to a MIDI file within the program so that you could export it and generate a version with a drum VSTi.
 
If someone know, please reply.
 
On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 6:25:30 AM PST, Roy Robinson via groupsio <robinson_yh2@...> wrote:
 
 
here's a quick top three, in no order

  • all RealDrums have RealCharts (with accurate Drum Notation
  • Mixer has been improved with many customizable display options
  • Chord Sheet has been improved with new zoom buttons and time signature display on the part marker
  • 16 new editable Utility tracks, which can be used for audio and/or MIDI.
@DavidBailey  I heard shipping starts about Dec 8th


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

D F Tweedie
 

@Dennis ...

Even were this an official PG Music forum ... which it is not, there is little to fear. PG Music would cease to exist economically if they couldn't continue to publish their 'yearly editions.'

Also, in my opinion, accurate criticisms ... meaning that in one way or another a feature is either underwhelming or does not operate as described by the developer ... are not 'negative.'

They are simply reasonable response in the vein of 'caveat emptor.'

On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 1:47:15 PM PST, DENNIS <dennismarsh@...> wrote:


Hello David
Firstly - Many thanks for all your help, comments and suggestion to the group. I have no idea how much time you spend "looking " at Band-In-A-Box ( BiaB ) but it must be considerable. So , on behalf of ALL Users, please believe your contribution is really appreciated.
Secondly - By the look at the number of comments, both positive and negative, there are obviously many more users.
I would like to suggest a warning - If there continues to be so many negatives , maybe PG music would cease to upgrade the app and in the end they might decide it does not meet usurer's expectations and not continue to have it for sale.
From my experience, and I don’t know how long that is, it is a most helpful app in my music world. I attempt to play a number of instruments and sing mostly country style and to be able to ""make" a backing track in the style and tempo and instrumentation that I like is superb.
Once again thanks for your help and advice over the years

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io> On Behalf Of David H. Bailey
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2020 1:20 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

On 11/28/2020 5:49 PM, Media Production wrote:
> Hi David--
> As always,  looking forward if you can do your overview of the new
> changes, additions and WOW’s and your observations and comments in
> BIAB 2021.

Thanks for the vote of confidence -- I'm not spending time downloading it so I'll wait for the hard drive to arrive in a few days.  Once it's installed I'll do what I can.  I'm intrigued by one claim about BIAB to be able to alter an out of tune note and bring it into tune with a chord tone.  If so, that will certainly be a great addition!

The forum page put up by Callie announcing the new version said "...
with over 50 new features . . ." But the actual page for BIAB2021 says "There are over 80 new features . . ."

One of which is the claim that it finally is a 64-bit program, which was also a claim of the 2019 version, so not really a new feature at all!
Isn't marketing great!  Let's lie about something being a "new feature"
when in fact it's been part of the product for the past two versions!

I'm printing out as clear a list of the supposed new improvements and will endeavor to see if they really are "new features" or merely improvements on things which already existed.  One thing that bothers me is that the page listing the supposed "80 new features" includes a lot of things but then ends with "and more" but that's not a link to a different list.  It's just a generic "trust me" statement that there are more than were listed.

The page listing "10 new features to RealBand 2021" lists some of the same things that are new features in BIAB so not really new specifically to both programs making it seem like they've added a combination of 90 new features.  A semantic quibble for sure but does PG really need to brag unnecessarily about such things?  The quality of their program certainly speaks for itself.  Would a person who balks at upgrading due to a statement such as "Over 80 new features in BIAB and RealBand"
actually buy the upgrade because of the statements "80 new features in BIAB" and "10 new features in RealBand?"

But then I've always had a problem with marketing departments who feel the need to overinflate the wonderfulness of a new version and lack the confidence in the products' marketability simply on their merits.

I buy the new version because I know there are new styles, new features, improvements on current functions (some of the best-seeming new features are in the notation part of BIAB), not because of a list of not-new new features.

Oh well, stay tuned -- I expect the hard-drive with BIAB2021 to arrive on either Wednesday or Thursday, then a few days to install it and play around with it before I send a review to the group.

And please, anybody else who is upgrading please issue your own reviews of what you like/hate about the new version!

--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@...
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com











Re: Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release

D F Tweedie
 

Thanks for the tip. I have it too but the problem is that it still carries the ambience and simultaneous hits across to the drum you are trying to separate.

On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 5:32:25 PM PST, Media Production <media_production@...> wrote:


 
as a workaround to separate BIAB drums into separate stems I use Accusonus Regroover 3rd party plugin in my DAW—dragging BIAB drum wav file into Accusonus Regroover
Rodger
 
 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:48 AM
Subject: [Band-In-A-Box] Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release
 
Something I guess I'm going to have to keep on wishing for is individual tracks for the RealDrum kits. I'd like to be able to process kick, snare, hats, toms, overheads and room separately.
 
With that in mind I'm wondering if the RealCharts 'drum notation' means something that can be translated to a MIDI file within the program so that you could export it and generate a version with a drum VSTi.
 
If someone know, please reply.
 
On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 6:25:30 AM PST, Roy Robinson via groups.io <robinson_yh2@...> wrote:
 
 
here's a quick top three, in no order

  • all RealDrums have RealCharts (with accurate Drum Notation
  • Mixer has been improved with many customizable display options
  • Chord Sheet has been improved with new zoom buttons and time signature display on the part marker
  • 16 new editable Utility tracks, which can be used for audio and/or MIDI.
@DavidBailey  I heard shipping starts about Dec 8th


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

Media Production
 

Hi David--

Yea, that’s a good feature about the auto note tuning .....good to see BIAB programming use the AI algorithims seen in new generation software.
Was there any other 2021 BIAB advertising that made you purchase the latest version? Also is there any requests you made or wanted to see that were made in this latest version?
And is there any main features you have wanted to see that are still not yet implemented.

Rodger

-----Original Message-----
From: David H. Bailey
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 4:19 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

On 11/28/2020 5:49 PM, Media Production wrote:
Hi David--
As always, looking forward if you can do your overview of the new changes, additions and WOW’s and your observations and comments in BIAB 2021.
Thanks for the vote of confidence -- I'm not spending time downloading
it so I'll wait for the hard drive to arrive in a few days. Once it's
installed I'll do what I can. I'm intrigued by one claim about BIAB to
be able to alter an out of tune note and bring it into tune with a chord
tone. If so, that will certainly be a great addition!

The forum page put up by Callie announcing the new version said "...
with over 50 new features . . ." But the actual page for BIAB2021 says
"There are over 80 new features . . ."

One of which is the claim that it finally is a 64-bit program, which was
also a claim of the 2019 version, so not really a new feature at all!
Isn't marketing great! Let's lie about something being a "new feature"
when in fact it's been part of the product for the past two versions!

I'm printing out as clear a list of the supposed new improvements and
will endeavor to see if they really are "new features" or merely
improvements on things which already existed. One thing that bothers me
is that the page listing the supposed "80 new features" includes a lot
of things but then ends with "and more" but that's not a link to a
different list. It's just a generic "trust me" statement that there are
more than were listed.

The page listing "10 new features to RealBand 2021" lists some of the
same things that are new features in BIAB so not really new specifically
to both programs making it seem like they've added a combination of 90
new features. A semantic quibble for sure but does PG really need to
brag unnecessarily about such things? The quality of their program
certainly speaks for itself. Would a person who balks at upgrading due
to a statement such as "Over 80 new features in BIAB and RealBand"
actually buy the upgrade because of the statements "80 new features in
BIAB" and "10 new features in RealBand?"

But then I've always had a problem with marketing departments who feel
the need to overinflate the wonderfulness of a new version and lack the
confidence in the products' marketability simply on their merits.

I buy the new version because I know there are new styles, new features,
improvements on current functions (some of the best-seeming new features
are in the notation part of BIAB), not because of a list of not-new new
features.

Oh well, stay tuned -- I expect the hard-drive with BIAB2021 to arrive
on either Wednesday or Thursday, then a few days to install it and play
around with it before I send a review to the group.

And please, anybody else who is upgrading please issue your own reviews
of what you like/hate about the new version!

--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

Hayward Martin
 

You say it was automatic.  Not that I was aware of...  Unless you're talking about rendering to an audio file and had "Normalize" checked before and don't have it checked now.  All I can think of. 


From: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io> on behalf of Kelvin Green <laskarina2311@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 4:16:10 PM
To: main@band-in-a-box.groups.io <main@band-in-a-box.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release
 
Just started trying out the 2021 version. 1st song I tried and then saved as a wav file was grossly distorted, as it was badly clipping. Never had that problem before, so I had to go back and redo, dropping all the volumes. Previous versions used to do that automatically. 

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020, 20:36 rob via groups.io, <gibbing08=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
hmmm doesn't sound like too much new!                                                                                                                                                                                                                          rob!


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

Media Production
 

is there a preference that needs to be checked--- or did you try and reload a new instance of BIAB?
 
Rodger
 

Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release
 
Just started trying out the 2021 version. 1st song I tried and then saved as a wav file was grossly distorted, as it was badly clipping. Never had that problem before, so I had to go back and redo, dropping all the volumes. Previous versions used to do that automatically.
 
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020, 20:36 rob via groups.io, <gibbing08=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
hmmm doesn't sound like too much new!                                                                                                                                                                                                                          rob!


Re: Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release

Media Production
 

 
as a workaround to separate BIAB drums into separate stems I use Accusonus Regroover 3rd party plugin in my DAW—dragging BIAB drum wav file into Accusonus Regroover
Rodger
 
 

Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:48 AM
Subject: [Band-In-A-Box] Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release
 
Something I guess I'm going to have to keep on wishing for is individual tracks for the RealDrum kits. I'd like to be able to process kick, snare, hats, toms, overheads and room separately.
 
With that in mind I'm wondering if the RealCharts 'drum notation' means something that can be translated to a MIDI file within the program so that you could export it and generate a version with a drum VSTi.
 
If someone know, please reply.
 
On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 6:25:30 AM PST, Roy Robinson via groups.io <robinson_yh2@...> wrote:
 
 
here's a quick top three, in no order

  • all RealDrums have RealCharts (with accurate Drum Notation
  • Mixer has been improved with many customizable display options
  • Chord Sheet has been improved with new zoom buttons and time signature display on the part marker
  • 16 new editable Utility tracks, which can be used for audio and/or MIDI.
@DavidBailey  I heard shipping starts about Dec 8th


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

DENNIS
 

Cheers and Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io> On Behalf Of David H. Bailey
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2020 11:06 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

Hi Dennis,

Thank you for the kind words and the good thoughts.

I don't think PGMusic monitors this list -- none of the e-mail addresses
seems to be likely to be a PGMusic employee. But I also don't think
that there are all that many negative comments. Those that are made seem to me to be honest opinions that any company should be able to take to heart and either do something about or ignore. It is certainly one of the computer programs I use a lot, tied with Sibelius as to being my most used music app.

I also think that PGMusic has too much invested in this program to simply walk away. At some point Peter Gannon may decide it's time to retire and stop things, but there are so many users (and I think that the members of this group are a very tiny minority of all BIAB users) that will keep on upgrading, like I do, mainly for the new styles and the many "under the hood" improvements that happen and aren't listed.

There comes a time with all programs as they mature that the ability of the programmers to include 'WOW!' new features just isn't possible.
Microsoft Office is one such program, Sibelius and Finale are two others that I'm familiar with, WordPerfect (my word processing program of
choice) is another. No major additions in years. But keeping programs working with newer operating systems is important and adding new content to a program such as BIAB is important and I think they'll keep on doing that.

If a member of this group were to simply keep posting messages totally negative I would ask them to either change their tone or leave the group (or I would ban them), not because I am against criticism of BIAB, but because only making negative comments doesn't help anybody.

Reading through posts on the PGMusic forum at their own web-site there are lots of negative comments there, too, only I know that PGMusic monitors that forum. So they either work to improve what is being criticized or they explain why they can't.

I appreciate your message though, and I will work to keep criticisms to valid criticisms and not simply messages dissing everything about BIAB and RealBand.

David




On 11/29/2020 4:47 PM, DENNIS wrote:
Hello David
Firstly - Many thanks for all your help, comments and suggestion to the group. I have no idea how much time you spend "looking " at Band-In-A-Box ( BiaB ) but it must be considerable. So , on behalf of ALL Users, please believe your contribution is really appreciated.
Secondly - By the look at the number of comments, both positive and negative, there are obviously many more users.
I would like to suggest a warning - If there continues to be so many negatives , maybe PG music would cease to upgrade the app and in the end they might decide it does not meet usurer's expectations and not continue to have it for sale.
From my experience, and I don’t know how long that is, it is a most helpful app in my music world. I attempt to play a number of instruments and sing mostly country style and to be able to ""make" a backing track in the style and tempo and instrumentation that I like is superb.
Once again thanks for your help and advice over the years

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io> On
Behalf Of David H. Bailey
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2020 1:20 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021
Release

On 11/28/2020 5:49 PM, Media Production wrote:
Hi David--
As always, looking forward if you can do your overview of the new
changes, additions and WOW’s and your observations and comments in
BIAB 2021.
Thanks for the vote of confidence -- I'm not spending time downloading it so I'll wait for the hard drive to arrive in a few days. Once it's installed I'll do what I can. I'm intrigued by one claim about BIAB to be able to alter an out of tune note and bring it into tune with a chord tone. If so, that will certainly be a great addition!

The forum page put up by Callie announcing the new version said "...
with over 50 new features . . ." But the actual page for BIAB2021 says "There are over 80 new features . . ."

One of which is the claim that it finally is a 64-bit program, which was also a claim of the 2019 version, so not really a new feature at all!
Isn't marketing great! Let's lie about something being a "new feature"
when in fact it's been part of the product for the past two versions!

I'm printing out as clear a list of the supposed new improvements and will endeavor to see if they really are "new features" or merely improvements on things which already existed. One thing that bothers me is that the page listing the supposed "80 new features" includes a lot of things but then ends with "and more" but that's not a link to a different list. It's just a generic "trust me" statement that there are more than were listed.

The page listing "10 new features to RealBand 2021" lists some of the same things that are new features in BIAB so not really new specifically to both programs making it seem like they've added a combination of 90 new features. A semantic quibble for sure but does PG really need to brag unnecessarily about such things? The quality of their program certainly speaks for itself. Would a person who balks at upgrading due to a statement such as "Over 80 new features in BIAB and RealBand"
actually buy the upgrade because of the statements "80 new features in BIAB" and "10 new features in RealBand?"

But then I've always had a problem with marketing departments who feel the need to overinflate the wonderfulness of a new version and lack the confidence in the products' marketability simply on their merits.

I buy the new version because I know there are new styles, new features, improvements on current functions (some of the best-seeming new features are in the notation part of BIAB), not because of a list of not-new new features.

Oh well, stay tuned -- I expect the hard-drive with BIAB2021 to arrive on either Wednesday or Thursday, then a few days to install it and play around with it before I send a review to the group.

And please, anybody else who is upgrading please issue your own reviews of what you like/hate about the new version!

--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com











--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

David H. Bailey
 

Hi Dennis,

Thank you for the kind words and the good thoughts.

I don't think PGMusic monitors this list -- none of the e-mail addresses seems to be likely to be a PGMusic employee. But I also don't think that there are all that many negative comments. Those that are made seem to me to be honest opinions that any company should be able to take to heart and either do something about or ignore. It is certainly one of the computer programs I use a lot, tied with Sibelius as to being my most used music app.

I also think that PGMusic has too much invested in this program to simply walk away. At some point Peter Gannon may decide it's time to retire and stop things, but there are so many users (and I think that the members of this group are a very tiny minority of all BIAB users) that will keep on upgrading, like I do, mainly for the new styles and the many "under the hood" improvements that happen and aren't listed.

There comes a time with all programs as they mature that the ability of the programmers to include 'WOW!' new features just isn't possible. Microsoft Office is one such program, Sibelius and Finale are two others that I'm familiar with, WordPerfect (my word processing program of choice) is another. No major additions in years. But keeping programs working with newer operating systems is important and adding new content to a program such as BIAB is important and I think they'll keep on doing that.

If a member of this group were to simply keep posting messages totally negative I would ask them to either change their tone or leave the group (or I would ban them), not because I am against criticism of BIAB, but because only making negative comments doesn't help anybody.

Reading through posts on the PGMusic forum at their own web-site there are lots of negative comments there, too, only I know that PGMusic monitors that forum. So they either work to improve what is being criticized or they explain why they can't.

I appreciate your message though, and I will work to keep criticisms to valid criticisms and not simply messages dissing everything about BIAB and RealBand.

David

On 11/29/2020 4:47 PM, DENNIS wrote:
Hello David
Firstly - Many thanks for all your help, comments and suggestion to the group. I have no idea how much time you spend "looking " at Band-In-A-Box ( BiaB ) but it must be considerable. So , on behalf of ALL Users, please believe your contribution is really appreciated.
Secondly - By the look at the number of comments, both positive and negative, there are obviously many more users.
I would like to suggest a warning - If there continues to be so many negatives , maybe PG music would cease to upgrade the app and in the end they might decide it does not meet usurer's expectations and not continue to have it for sale.
From my experience, and I don’t know how long that is, it is a most helpful app in my music world. I attempt to play a number of instruments and sing mostly country style and to be able to ""make" a backing track in the style and tempo and instrumentation that I like is superb.
Once again thanks for your help and advice over the years
Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io> On Behalf Of David H. Bailey
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2020 1:20 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release
On 11/28/2020 5:49 PM, Media Production wrote:
Hi David--
As always, looking forward if you can do your overview of the new
changes, additions and WOW’s and your observations and comments in
BIAB 2021.
Thanks for the vote of confidence -- I'm not spending time downloading it so I'll wait for the hard drive to arrive in a few days. Once it's installed I'll do what I can. I'm intrigued by one claim about BIAB to be able to alter an out of tune note and bring it into tune with a chord tone. If so, that will certainly be a great addition!
The forum page put up by Callie announcing the new version said "...
with over 50 new features . . ." But the actual page for BIAB2021 says "There are over 80 new features . . ."
One of which is the claim that it finally is a 64-bit program, which was also a claim of the 2019 version, so not really a new feature at all!
Isn't marketing great! Let's lie about something being a "new feature"
when in fact it's been part of the product for the past two versions!
I'm printing out as clear a list of the supposed new improvements and will endeavor to see if they really are "new features" or merely improvements on things which already existed. One thing that bothers me is that the page listing the supposed "80 new features" includes a lot of things but then ends with "and more" but that's not a link to a different list. It's just a generic "trust me" statement that there are more than were listed.
The page listing "10 new features to RealBand 2021" lists some of the same things that are new features in BIAB so not really new specifically to both programs making it seem like they've added a combination of 90 new features. A semantic quibble for sure but does PG really need to brag unnecessarily about such things? The quality of their program certainly speaks for itself. Would a person who balks at upgrading due to a statement such as "Over 80 new features in BIAB and RealBand"
actually buy the upgrade because of the statements "80 new features in BIAB" and "10 new features in RealBand?"
But then I've always had a problem with marketing departments who feel the need to overinflate the wonderfulness of a new version and lack the confidence in the products' marketability simply on their merits.
I buy the new version because I know there are new styles, new features, improvements on current functions (some of the best-seeming new features are in the notation part of BIAB), not because of a list of not-new new features.
Oh well, stay tuned -- I expect the hard-drive with BIAB2021 to arrive on either Wednesday or Thursday, then a few days to install it and play around with it before I send a review to the group.
And please, anybody else who is upgrading please issue your own reviews of what you like/hate about the new version!
--
*****
David H. Bailey
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Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

DENNIS
 

Hello David
Firstly - Many thanks for all your help, comments and suggestion to the group. I have no idea how much time you spend "looking " at Band-In-A-Box ( BiaB ) but it must be considerable. So , on behalf of ALL Users, please believe your contribution is really appreciated.
Secondly - By the look at the number of comments, both positive and negative, there are obviously many more users.
I would like to suggest a warning - If there continues to be so many negatives , maybe PG music would cease to upgrade the app and in the end they might decide it does not meet usurer's expectations and not continue to have it for sale.
From my experience, and I don’t know how long that is, it is a most helpful app in my music world. I attempt to play a number of instruments and sing mostly country style and to be able to ""make" a backing track in the style and tempo and instrumentation that I like is superb.
Once again thanks for your help and advice over the years

Dennis

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From: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io> On Behalf Of David H. Bailey
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2020 1:20 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

On 11/28/2020 5:49 PM, Media Production wrote:
Hi David--
As always, looking forward if you can do your overview of the new
changes, additions and WOW’s and your observations and comments in
BIAB 2021.
Thanks for the vote of confidence -- I'm not spending time downloading it so I'll wait for the hard drive to arrive in a few days. Once it's installed I'll do what I can. I'm intrigued by one claim about BIAB to be able to alter an out of tune note and bring it into tune with a chord tone. If so, that will certainly be a great addition!

The forum page put up by Callie announcing the new version said "...
with over 50 new features . . ." But the actual page for BIAB2021 says "There are over 80 new features . . ."

One of which is the claim that it finally is a 64-bit program, which was also a claim of the 2019 version, so not really a new feature at all!
Isn't marketing great! Let's lie about something being a "new feature"
when in fact it's been part of the product for the past two versions!

I'm printing out as clear a list of the supposed new improvements and will endeavor to see if they really are "new features" or merely improvements on things which already existed. One thing that bothers me is that the page listing the supposed "80 new features" includes a lot of things but then ends with "and more" but that's not a link to a different list. It's just a generic "trust me" statement that there are more than were listed.

The page listing "10 new features to RealBand 2021" lists some of the same things that are new features in BIAB so not really new specifically to both programs making it seem like they've added a combination of 90 new features. A semantic quibble for sure but does PG really need to brag unnecessarily about such things? The quality of their program certainly speaks for itself. Would a person who balks at upgrading due to a statement such as "Over 80 new features in BIAB and RealBand"
actually buy the upgrade because of the statements "80 new features in BIAB" and "10 new features in RealBand?"

But then I've always had a problem with marketing departments who feel the need to overinflate the wonderfulness of a new version and lack the confidence in the products' marketability simply on their merits.

I buy the new version because I know there are new styles, new features, improvements on current functions (some of the best-seeming new features are in the notation part of BIAB), not because of a list of not-new new features.

Oh well, stay tuned -- I expect the hard-drive with BIAB2021 to arrive on either Wednesday or Thursday, then a few days to install it and play around with it before I send a review to the group.

And please, anybody else who is upgrading please issue your own reviews of what you like/hate about the new version!

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Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

David H. Bailey
 

On 11/29/2020 9:25 AM, Roy Robinson via groups.io wrote:
here's a quick top three, in no order
* *all RealDrums have RealCharts* (with accurate Drum Notation
* *Mixer has been improved* with many customizable display options
* *Chord Sheet has been improved* with new zoom buttons and time
signature display on the part marker
* *16 new editable Utility tracks*, which can be used for audio and/or
MIDI.
@DavidBailey  I heard shipping starts about Dec 8th
[snip]

Interesting what you say about shipping starting Dec 8th -- on my receipt from PGMusic it says it should arrive within 3 business days. No mention of not shipping until the 8th.

It will be interesting to see what happens! Thanks for letting me know what you heard.


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Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

Kelvin Green
 

Just started trying out the 2021 version. 1st song I tried and then saved as a wav file was grossly distorted, as it was badly clipping. Never had that problem before, so I had to go back and redo, dropping all the volumes. Previous versions used to do that automatically. 


On Sun, 29 Nov 2020, 20:36 rob via groups.io, <gibbing08=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
hmmm doesn't sound like too much new!                                                                                                                                                                                                                          rob!


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

rob
 

hmmm doesn't sound like too much new!                                                                                                                                                                                                                          rob!


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

lastofthebarons
 

Not for Mac though. I suppose it will appear somewhere through next year. I must say though that there doesn’t appear to be any earth shattering additions to the programme.

Cheers,

Marc


Drum Notation - BIAB 2021 Release

D F Tweedie
 

Something I guess I'm going to have to keep on wishing for is individual tracks for the RealDrum kits. I'd like to be able to process kick, snare, hats, toms, overheads and room separately.

With that in mind I'm wondering if the RealCharts 'drum notation' means something that can be translated to a MIDI file within the program so that you could export it and generate a version with a drum VSTi.

If someone know, please reply.

On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 6:25:30 AM PST, Roy Robinson via groups.io <robinson_yh2@...> wrote:


here's a quick top three, in no order

  • all RealDrums have RealCharts (with accurate Drum Notation 
  • Mixer has been improved with many customizable display options 
  • Chord Sheet has been improved with new zoom buttons and time signature display on the part marker
  • 16 new editable Utility tracks, which can be used for audio and/or MIDI.
@DavidBailey  I heard shipping starts about Dec 8th


Re: PAT File for Yamaha Higher Banks #BiaBFiles

Roy Robinson
 

thanks for the links RejjeeBee
I had seen both pages previously but will go back and study bbmpatchmap  more thoroughly.  The key may be there waiting to be uncovered.


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

Roy Robinson
 
Edited

#BiaB2021
here's a quick top three, in no order


  • all RealDrums have RealCharts (with accurate Drum Notation 
  • Mixer has been improved with many customizable display options 
  • Chord Sheet has been improved with new zoom buttons and time signature display on the part marker
  • 16 new editable Utility tracks, which can be used for audio and/or MIDI.
@DavidBailey  I heard shipping starts about Dec 8th


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

Hayward Martin
 

If that’s true…   It would be worth the upgrade just for that!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: joemardo1@...
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:23 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

 

One thing that stuck out for me on watching the new feature video is they seem to have opened up the mixer in biab to include a lot of extra tracks, is the total now 16 in think?

I believe they call these new tracks utility tracks, so would be a great help if I am reading it correctly, would mean that I and others wouldn't have to take it into Realband to generate some extra realtracks.

 


Re: Looking into Band In a Box - BIAB 2021 Release

joseph doherty
 

One thing that stuck out for me on watching the new feature video is they seem to have opened up the mixer in biab to include a lot of extra tracks, is the total now 16 in think?

I believe they call these new tracks utility tracks, so would be a great help if I am reading it correctly, would mean that I and others wouldn't have to take it into Realband to generate some extra realtracks.

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