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Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

james mings
 

Hi Jim,

The Expanded styles turn two BiaB cells into one measure.

So if you want the song to be 120 bpm (beats per minute) you have to set your BiaB tempo to 240 bpm.

Then the first beat of the first cell is 1, the second beat of the first cell is actually "&" (the second eighth note of beat number 1), the third beat of the first cell is 2 and the fourth beat is the & of 2.

The first beat of the second cell is 3, second is the & of 3 and the third 4 and the forth the & of 4.

[1] 1 & 2 & [2] 3 & 4 & [3] starts all over again with the second measure.

This allows 8 chords per measure of music. It also allows a chord on the eighth note before a beat and another on the beat, which is very common in Rock, Blues, Country and Jazz. The style is written so that it plays correctly as long as you double the tempo.

It also makes for a BiaB resolution of 240 ppq (pulses per quarter note) instead of the BiaB default of 120.

I learned this trick when using a very early sequencer in the prehistoric days of MIDI sequencers on my Atari/ST computer. Playing a slow song was stiff because of the resolution (I think it was 120ppq but it could have been less). So I turned each measure in the sequencer to one measure of music, and doubled the resolution. 

I hope I explained that well, if not, let me know and I'll try again.

Bob
 Many Thanks! I had the bpm entry backwards. I think i am starting to get it. I hope others have been helped as much as i have, 
Jim


Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

james mings
 

Thanks David and Bob. I am still a little confused. thank you for putting up with an aging mind. So... if I want to have the ballad play at 60, I enter the chords at 60 and pretend that 2 measures are one and play back at 120? That sounds strange when i do it....and doesn't produce what i expect. Are there demos of these expanded styles in action that i could use as templates?


Thanks a lot. You gentlemen have been so helpful to me
Jim


.David,

Thanks. That was different from the way I explained it, and perhaps even better.

Bob

On 5/25/2018 2:40 PM, 'David H. Bailey' dhbailey52@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
On 5/25/2018 1:00 PM, Jim MIngs jmings2003@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
Bob, may I ask you a question? Sometimes I don't get the simplest 
things....I can't figure out how to manipulate the expanded styles. I
know the extra subdivisions are available, but i don't know how to use
them. I'm missing something. Please help and thanks again.

I'll try to explain things, then we'll both know whether I'm right when
Bob jumps in with his response.

The expanded styles are recorded at half-the speed they should be played
back at.  So if it should sound best at 120bpm, Bob designed it
basically in "slow motion" so that when it is played back at double
speed, it sounds as if it's being played at 120bpm.  Then when you set
your song to be played at 240, it will sound as if it's playing at 120.

Then when you enter your song's chords into BIAB's chord entry screen,
each measure on the screen is actually a half-measure of your song, so
you need two measures in BIAB to enter the chords for one measure of
your song.

Since BIAB won't allow more than 4 chords per measure, you now have 8
slots to enter chords in for every measure of your original song.

Example:  If you have a song where the first 4 measures have a new chord
on beats 1 and 3 of each measure like this:  C (2) F (4) | Dm (2) G7 (4)
using a Norton Expanded style you would enter that in BIAB as:
C (2) (3) (4) | F (2) (3) (4) | Dm (2) (3) (4) | G7 (2) (3) (4) |

And if you ever had a measure which was like this (Rainbow High from
Evita by Andrew Lloyd Webber): B A G E D B A E (each chord on an 8th
note) you would enter it using a Norton Expanded Style like this:
B, A G, E | D, B A, E| and it would sound like one single measure when
it played back.

The Norton Expanded Styles aren't for most songs -- although if there's
something Bob did in one of them that isn't in any of his other styles
you could certainly use them for any song.  They're really for songs
which need more than 4 chords in a single measure.

And they can be hard to wrap your head around until you experiment with
them a bit, and then they make perfect sense after you hear how well
they work.  Bob discovered how to break through PGMusic's pigheaded
insistence on no more than 4 chords in a measure, something I've never
understood beyond the fact that the coding at the core of the program
hasn't changed much in all these years and it would take a complete
rewrite of the core code to accomplish that.  I bet that's something
that PGMusic simply can't afford to undertake since in reality it is 
rarely needed.  But when it's needed, it was sorely lacking until Bob
devised the expanded styles.

Now to wait and see if I explained things correctly!



Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

Bob \ Notes\ Norton <norton@...>
 

David,

Thanks. That was different from the way I explained it, and perhaps even better.

Bob

On 5/25/2018 2:40 PM, 'David H. Bailey' dhbailey52@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
On 5/25/2018 1:00 PM, Jim MIngs jmings2003@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:

Bob, may I ask you a question? Sometimes I don't get the simplest 
things....I can't figure out how to manipulate the expanded styles. I 
know the extra subdivisions are available, but i don't know how to use 
them. I'm missing something. Please help and thanks again.

I'll try to explain things, then we'll both know whether I'm right when 
Bob jumps in with his response.

The expanded styles are recorded at half-the speed they should be played 
back at.  So if it should sound best at 120bpm, Bob designed it 
basically in "slow motion" so that when it is played back at double 
speed, it sounds as if it's being played at 120bpm.  Then when you set 
your song to be played at 240, it will sound as if it's playing at 120.

Then when you enter your song's chords into BIAB's chord entry screen, 
each measure on the screen is actually a half-measure of your song, so 
you need two measures in BIAB to enter the chords for one measure of 
your song.

Since BIAB won't allow more than 4 chords per measure, you now have 8 
slots to enter chords in for every measure of your original song.

Example:  If you have a song where the first 4 measures have a new chord 
on beats 1 and 3 of each measure like this:  C (2) F (4) | Dm (2) G7 (4) 
using a Norton Expanded style you would enter that in BIAB as:
C (2) (3) (4) | F (2) (3) (4) | Dm (2) (3) (4) | G7 (2) (3) (4) |

And if you ever had a measure which was like this (Rainbow High from 
Evita by Andrew Lloyd Webber): B A G E D B A E (each chord on an 8th 
note) you would enter it using a Norton Expanded Style like this:
B, A G, E | D, B A, E| and it would sound like one single measure when 
it played back.

The Norton Expanded Styles aren't for most songs -- although if there's 
something Bob did in one of them that isn't in any of his other styles 
you could certainly use them for any song.  They're really for songs 
which need more than 4 chords in a single measure.

And they can be hard to wrap your head around until you experiment with 
them a bit, and then they make perfect sense after you hear how well 
they work.  Bob discovered how to break through PGMusic's pigheaded 
insistence on no more than 4 chords in a measure, something I've never 
understood beyond the fact that the coding at the core of the program 
hasn't changed much in all these years and it would take a complete 
rewrite of the core code to accomplish that.  I bet that's something 
that PGMusic simply can't afford to undertake since in reality it is 
rarely needed.  But when it's needed, it was sorely lacking until Bob 
devised the expanded styles.

Now to wait and see if I explained things correctly!


-- 
Bob "Notes" Norton
norton@...
Norton Music - http://www.nortonmusic.com
The Sophisticats® - http://www.s-cats.com


Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

Bob \ Notes\ Norton <norton@...>
 

Hi Jim,

The Expanded styles turn two BiaB cells into one measure.

So if you want the song to be 120 bpm (beats per minute) you have to set your BiaB tempo to 240 bpm.

Then the first beat of the first cell is 1, the second beat of the first cell is actually "&" (the second eighth note of beat number 1), the third beat of the first cell is 2 and the fourth beat is the & of 2.

The first beat of the second cell is 3, second is the & of 3 and the third 4 and the forth the & of 4.

[1] 1 & 2 & [2] 3 & 4 & [3] starts all over again with the second measure.

This allows 8 chords per measure of music. It also allows a chord on the eighth note before a beat and another on the beat, which is very common in Rock, Blues, Country and Jazz. The style is written so that it plays correctly as long as you double the tempo.

It also makes for a BiaB resolution of 240 ppq (pulses per quarter note) instead of the BiaB default of 120.

I learned this trick when using a very early sequencer in the prehistoric days of MIDI sequencers on my Atari/ST computer. Playing a slow song was stiff because of the resolution (I think it was 120ppq but it could have been less). So I turned each measure in the sequencer to one measure of music, and doubled the resolution.

I hope I explained that well, if not, let me know and I'll try again.

Bob

On 5/25/2018 1:00 PM, Jim MIngs jmings2003@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
Bob, may I ask you a question? Sometimes I don't get the simplest things....I can't figure out how to manipulate the expanded styles. I know the extra subdivisions are available, but i don't know how to use them. I'm missing something. Please help and thanks again.

Jim

-- 
Bob "Notes" Norton
norton@...
Norton Music - http://www.nortonmusic.com
The Sophisticats® - http://www.s-cats.com


Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

David H. Bailey
 

On 5/25/2018 1:00 PM, Jim MIngs jmings2003@yahoo.com [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
Bob, may I ask you a question? Sometimes I don't get the simplest things....I can't figure out how to manipulate the expanded styles. I know the extra subdivisions are available, but i don't know how to use them. I'm missing something. Please help and thanks again.
I'll try to explain things, then we'll both know whether I'm right when Bob jumps in with his response.

The expanded styles are recorded at half-the speed they should be played back at. So if it should sound best at 120bpm, Bob designed it basically in "slow motion" so that when it is played back at double speed, it sounds as if it's being played at 120bpm. Then when you set your song to be played at 240, it will sound as if it's playing at 120.

Then when you enter your song's chords into BIAB's chord entry screen, each measure on the screen is actually a half-measure of your song, so you need two measures in BIAB to enter the chords for one measure of your song.

Since BIAB won't allow more than 4 chords per measure, you now have 8 slots to enter chords in for every measure of your original song.

Example: If you have a song where the first 4 measures have a new chord on beats 1 and 3 of each measure like this: C (2) F (4) | Dm (2) G7 (4) using a Norton Expanded style you would enter that in BIAB as:
C (2) (3) (4) | F (2) (3) (4) | Dm (2) (3) (4) | G7 (2) (3) (4) |

And if you ever had a measure which was like this (Rainbow High from Evita by Andrew Lloyd Webber): B A G E D B A E (each chord on an 8th note) you would enter it using a Norton Expanded Style like this:
B, A G, E | D, B A, E| and it would sound like one single measure when it played back.

The Norton Expanded Styles aren't for most songs -- although if there's something Bob did in one of them that isn't in any of his other styles you could certainly use them for any song. They're really for songs which need more than 4 chords in a single measure.

And they can be hard to wrap your head around until you experiment with them a bit, and then they make perfect sense after you hear how well they work. Bob discovered how to break through PGMusic's pigheaded insistence on no more than 4 chords in a measure, something I've never understood beyond the fact that the coding at the core of the program hasn't changed much in all these years and it would take a complete rewrite of the core code to accomplish that. I bet that's something that PGMusic simply can't afford to undertake since in reality it is rarely needed. But when it's needed, it was sorely lacking until Bob devised the expanded styles.

Now to wait and see if I explained things correctly!

--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

james mings
 

I am so glad I decided to write to y'all yesterday. man, i really learned a lot.  It was a banner day for me as a computer composer. Many thanks for the kind words about the music.

Jim


Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

james mings
 

Bob, may I ask you a question? Sometimes I don't get the simplest things....I can't figure out how to manipulate the expanded styles. I know the extra subdivisions are available, but i don't know how to use them. I'm missing something. Please help and thanks again.

Jim


Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

james mings
 

Thank you, Bob. I recorded the guitar direct and I copied that gtr. track 2 times. One went to Amplitube, one went to Guitar rig and one went to a few JS (Reaper) plugins, Master match by IK, and Radiator (great plugin by Sound Toys). Thank you for the beautiful style. This song was worth the $33. ;-)


Re: Help Needed

David H. Bailey
 

Congratulations on solving the problem -- and thanks for letting us know how you fixed it!

David H. Bailey

On 5/25/2018 9:30 AM, Buzz Alford cjabuzz@aol.com [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
*That helped. I changed the midi driver to the correct setting and it plays now. I don't know how it got to be the wrong way but the change worked. Thanks for your help.*
[snip]

--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

Bob \ Notes\ Norton <norton@...>
 

Nice job Jim!

I liked the mix and the balance, the lead guitar was prominent but not overwhelming and I could also hear the background parts well.

But most all I liked your guitar playing.

 * You are technically proficient. I can hear the technique serving the music, and not the other way around

 * I liked the melodic flow of the improvisations, the choice of notes were predictable enough to soothe me and there were enough surprises to add spice to the flow and hold my attention.

* I particularly liked the phrasing of the solo, that and the judicious use of ornaments like slides, dynamics, and such.

In other words, I enjoyed it and I was impressed. Thanks for posting.

BTW, what kind of FX did you use on the guitar?

Notes
-- 
Bob "Notes" Norton
norton@...
Norton Music - http://www.nortonmusic.com
The Sophisticats® - http://www.s-cats.com


Re: Help Needed

Charles Alford
 

That helped. I changed the midi driver to the correct setting and it plays now. I don't know how it got to be the wrong way but the change worked. Thanks for your help.

 Buzz Alford
 770-364-0358

In a message dated 5/25/2018 6:01:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, Band-in-a-Box@... writes:

On 5/25/2018 5:45 AM, cjabuzz@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
>
>
> Somehow when I try to use BIAB 2016 all I get is the drum part playing.
> I have checked and none of the other parts are muted. Have I hit the
> wrong setting or something like that? Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
[snip]

Having some more information will help us figure out the problem:

What device are you using for playback?

Are you using a style which has a mixture of realdrums plus all the
other instruments as MIDI?

Have you perhaps set the volume levels for all the other instruments to
zero?

Is this the case for any/all styles you try? For any/all songs you try?

Can you give us the name of one of the styles you're having this problem
with so others can test it and see what the problem might be?

Do you perhaps have the option checked which allows BIAB to substitute
RealDrums for MIDI drums (Preferences dialog, RealDrums Settings tab)?
If that's the case and you have your midi playback device either off or
turned down you would still hear the RealDrums but nothing else.

As your song is playing, open the Mixer window and see what sort of
levels are being generated for the other instruments besides Drums.
Ctrl-shift-M will open the floating mixer window if it's not already
visible on your screen. If you can see activity in the different tracks
in the Mixer then it's something to do with your output device(s). If
there's no activity in the different tracks, check the Volume slider for
each instrument to be sure it's above zero.

I know how frustrating this sort of problem can be and hopefully when
you provide more information someone on this list will be able to help
solve the problem.


--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@...
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


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Re: Help Needed

Dave Nuttall
 

Seems like if you toggle Options|Return to Factory Settings you should be able to overcome just about any problem such as that.


On 5/25/2018 4:45 AM, cjabuzz@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
 

Somehow when I try to use BIAB 2016 all I get is the drum part playing. I have checked and none of the other parts are muted. Have I hit the wrong setting or something like that? Any help would be appreciated.


Buzz Alford



Re: Help Needed

David H. Bailey
 

On 5/25/2018 5:45 AM, cjabuzz@aol.com [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
Somehow when I try to use BIAB 2016 all I get is the drum part playing. I have checked and none of the other parts are muted. Have I hit the wrong setting or something like that? Any help would be appreciated.
[snip]

Having some more information will help us figure out the problem:

What device are you using for playback?

Are you using a style which has a mixture of realdrums plus all the other instruments as MIDI?

Have you perhaps set the volume levels for all the other instruments to zero?

Is this the case for any/all styles you try? For any/all songs you try?

Can you give us the name of one of the styles you're having this problem with so others can test it and see what the problem might be?

Do you perhaps have the option checked which allows BIAB to substitute RealDrums for MIDI drums (Preferences dialog, RealDrums Settings tab)? If that's the case and you have your midi playback device either off or turned down you would still hear the RealDrums but nothing else.

As your song is playing, open the Mixer window and see what sort of levels are being generated for the other instruments besides Drums. Ctrl-shift-M will open the floating mixer window if it's not already visible on your screen. If you can see activity in the different tracks in the Mixer then it's something to do with your output device(s). If there's no activity in the different tracks, check the Volume slider for each instrument to be sure it's above zero.

I know how frustrating this sort of problem can be and hopefully when you provide more information someone on this list will be able to help solve the problem.


--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Help Needed

Charles Alford
 

Somehow when I try to use BIAB 2016 all I get is the drum part playing. I have checked and none of the other parts are muted. Have I hit the wrong setting or something like that? Any help would be appreciated.


Buzz Alford


Re: audio and BIAB

D F Tweedie
 

One last thought for recording: you can always first render your MIDI to audio and then remove or disable your Virtual Instruments to reduce the CPU load and permit a lower buffer.

DF



From: "Jim MIngs jmings2003@... [Band-in-a-Box]"
To: band-in-a-box@...
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] audio and BIAB

 
DF:
"One big advantage of an interface in addition to dedicated drivers permitting lower buffer sizes is that many have a feature that lets you hear your audio back after your preamp section but before it is processed by the computer/ program, thereby reducing latency to insignificant amounts.

Coming back to your question, ASIO is almost always the preferred device with any program that can utilize it.

The buffer size is tied to the audio driver. When you change buffer size "in a program," you are not really changing it in the program. More precisely, you are changing it 'through the program' accessing the driver's software applet. So yes, if it is changed it is changed for all applications until the next time you change it regardless of which programs you load in the meantime.

On the other hand changing a device's buffer size, as opposed to changing devices, is trivial. Even professional studios do it regularly when the alternate between recording (lowest buffer size available) and mixing (buffer size as large as you need to lower CPU demand on hungry plugins). The glitching sounds you hear are almost always the result of the buffer emptying faster than the CPU can process the audio.

And yes, the best practice is to change your buffer size depending upon what you are doing.

You probably notice the lag in BIAB when 'rendering' new RealTracks. However, once rendered, playback is relatively seamless and should proceed at the lowest buffer setting you can manage for recording purposes.

If BIAB isn't up to the task you can always export the RealTrack audio and import it into Logic and record in that program. For most purposes I can think of that would be superior to recording in BIAB.

In general it is plugins and especially virtual instruments (VSTIs) that place large demand on CPU and require large buffer size. Playing back pre-recorded audio and recording one input at a time should work fine under the lowest buffer setting your audio device permits.

Good luck.

DF"

That's so helpful, DF.  I really appreciate the time and effort it took to help me. And, you put it in just the right words. iou3! 

PS:
If BIAB isn't up to the task you can always export the RealTrack audio and import it into Logic and record in that program. For most purposes I can think of that would be superior to recording in BIAB.

Of course. The thing is that when i write with BIAB I like to play on guitar so I can hear if certain moves sound and play naturally. I might catch something fresh. Once i get the form as good as I can I go to Logic or Reaper. I like real Tracks a lot, but I also love midi and like to have that as well. 
Thanks again



Jim



Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

james mings
 

Thank you, Kevin. I payed Bob Norton 33$ for some styles. this groove is his. He also used this song as a demo. I thought the mjidi file sounded real good when I chose some fave instruments to play the parfts. Then i lucked into this arrangement via the BIAB files i have saved. I just filled BIAB box a couple of times and moved everything to Reaper. There are some real tracks mixed in there, and everything was at least 2 tracks. Pretty pumpin on my little 41/2 in. Presonus monitors. The guitar is a Jazzmaster; about 4 tracks of the same audio in space to try and keep the energy up. Everything else is midi.
Thanks for thew comment about mastering. I am the beneficiary of the new wave of mastering plugins. This sounds like the IK TR 5 Master match 1990's pop preset.... all over it. I have turned 35 year old 
cassette tapes in to sweet sounds. Thanks for listening,
Jim


Re: Mings/ Norton arrangement

Kevin Doucet <kevin.doucet@...>
 

Wow I am impressed.

Did you play anything other than lead guitar?

You did a fabulous job on the mix and mastering...

Kevin D


On 5/24/2018 10:39 AM, Jim MIngs jmings2003@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
here is a link to a recent recording that I did with one of Bob Norton's cool styles. It was compiled in Reaper.





Jim Mings

-- 

Sincerely

Kevin Doucet
Manager and CEO of Unicorn Enterprises
1 (256) 315-0910


Re: audio and BIAB

james mings
 

DF:
"One big advantage of an interface in addition to dedicated drivers permitting lower buffer sizes is that many have a feature that lets you hear your audio back after your preamp section but before it is processed by the computer/ program, thereby reducing latency to insignificant amounts.

Coming back to your question, ASIO is almost always the preferred device with any program that can utilize it.

The buffer size is tied to the audio driver. When you change buffer size "in a program," you are not really changing it in the program. More precisely, you are changing it 'through the program' accessing the driver's software applet. So yes, if it is changed it is changed for all applications until the next time you change it regardless of which programs you load in the meantime.

On the other hand changing a device's buffer size, as opposed to changing devices, is trivial. Even professional studios do it regularly when the alternate between recording (lowest buffer size available) and mixing (buffer size as large as you need to lower CPU demand on hungry plugins). The glitching sounds you hear are almost always the result of the buffer emptying faster than the CPU can process the audio.

And yes, the best practice is to change your buffer size depending upon what you are doing.

You probably notice the lag in BIAB when 'rendering' new RealTracks. However, once rendered, playback is relatively seamless and should proceed at the lowest buffer setting you can manage for recording purposes.

If BIAB isn't up to the task you can always export the RealTrack audio and import it into Logic and record in that program. For most purposes I can think of that would be superior to recording in BIAB.

In general it is plugins and especially virtual instruments (VSTIs) that place large demand on CPU and require large buffer size. Playing back pre-recorded audio and recording one input at a time should work fine under the lowest buffer setting your audio device permits.

Good luck.

DF"

That's so helpful, DF.  I really appreciate the time and effort it took to help me. And, you put it in just the right words. iou3! 

PS:
If BIAB isn't up to the task you can always export the RealTrack audio and import it into Logic and record in that program. For most purposes I can think of that would be superior to recording in BIAB.

Of course. The thing is that when i write with BIAB I like to play on guitar so I can hear if certain moves sound and play naturally. I might catch something fresh. Once i get the form as good as I can I go to Logic or Reaper. I like real Tracks a lot, but I also love midi and like to have that as well. 
Thanks again



Jim


Re: audio and BIAB

D F Tweedie
 

Hi Jim ...

You don't mention whether you have an interface or are using the computer's onboard audio devices. This can make a big difference for recording latency, i.e., the delay between playing or singing into your mic and then hearing the audio back after it is processed through any program.

One big advantage of an interface in addition to dedicated drivers permitting lower buffer sizes is that many have a feature that lets you hear your audio back after your preamp section but before it is processed by the computer/ program, thereby reducing latency to insignificant amounts.

Coming back to your question, ASIO is almost always the preferred device with any program that can utilize it.

The buffer size is tied to the audio driver. When you change buffer size "in a program," you are not really changing it in the program. More precisely, you are changing it 'through the program' accessing the driver's software applet. So yes, if it is changed it is changed for all applications until the next time you change it regardless of which programs you load in the meantime.

On the other hand changing a device's buffer size, as opposed to changing devices, is trivial. Even professional studios do it regularly when the alternate between recording (lowest buffer size available) and mixing (buffer size as large as you need to lower CPU demand on hungry plugins). The glitching sounds you hear are almost always the result of the buffer emptying faster than the CPU can process the audio.

And yes, the best practice is to change your buffer size depending upon what you are doing.

You probably notice the lag in BIAB when 'rendering' new RealTracks. However, once rendered, playback is relatively seamless and should proceed at the lowest buffer setting you can manage for recording purposes.

If BIAB isn't up to the task you can always export the RealTrack audio and import it into Logic and record in that program. For most purposes I can think of that would be superior to recording in BIAB.

In general it is plugins and especially virtual instruments (VSTIs) that place large demand on CPU and require large buffer size. Playing back pre-recorded audio and recording one input at a time should work fine under the lowest buffer setting your audio device permits.

Good luck.

DF





From: "Jim MIngs jmings2003@... [Band-in-a-Box]"
To: Band-in-a-Box
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:50 AM
Subject: [Band-in-a-Box] audio and BIAB

 
I have 3 options in audio settings: ASIO, MME, and WAS. I seem to experience chatter in each to varying degrees when recording audio into and out of BIAB. Also, audio is out of sync a good percentage of the time unless I freeze all tracks and that still can be out of sync. I am also experimenting with buffer size. A smaller size for recording and bigger for playback. This is a hassle. Is there a good compromise? When I change buffer sizes in BIAB does it affect buffer size in other programs? Is there a magic number? I realize that there are many better ways to record audio than BIAB, but it would sure be nice to get decent recordings while one is writing without having to drag files from program to program. Decent recordings happen sometimes. ;-) The stars have to be aligned... Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks,

Jim Mings



Re: audio and BIAB

David H. Bailey
 

On 5/24/2018 4:35 PM, Jim MIngs jmings2003@yahoo.com [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
Hi Roger, I have Logic on a mac and Reaper on windows 10. I also use Sound Forge. I used Digital performer for many years with various tape machines. I like Focusrite Scarlett interfaces and have used a few others. I have Native Instruments, TR 5 from IK as well as Sample Tank, Aria, Garritan, Sforzando. I have collected a few plugins from Bias, Plugin Alliance, Waves, Melda, Arturia, and a few others. I love Sound Toys. I like to use drum loops and have found a lot of cool sounds at Loop Loft.  I like all kinds of music so i might do Jazz... or something else.
I did try and make specific questions about audio settings and Buffer size in BIAB.
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It is my understanding that the buffer size as set in a program such as BIAB or Reaper or Sonar or any such are only for that particular program, and should have no effect on any other program. That should remain the buffer size for that particular program, though, until you change it.

The one situation where this may not be true is if you're using an ASIO driver such as Asio4All for all your programs. In that case you may set the buffer size in the Asio4All program and not specifically in BIAB. I believe that once you set that buffer size in Asio4All (or any other Asio driver) it will remain at that size until/unless you change it again.

At least that is my understanding and has been my experience as I remember it.

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