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Re: (drum) Style suggestion, please

David H. Bailey
 

On 3/1/2017 10:57 AM, 'Ian Graham' idgraham@btinternet.com [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:


Hallo, David

I'm very grateful, as ever, for your input. I understand entirely about
(midi) drum sets/kits. What I'm still not entirely clear about is what
the effect of selecting a single patch should be.

If I identified all the percussion instruments used in a style, and
then, with that style selected, selected one of them individually , what
would the effect be? Would all the other percussion parts be muted ?

I'm not sure you can do that -- I don't know of anyplace within BIAB where you can select just a single instrument from the drum kit. But even if you could, you would need to mute all the other instruments in that drum kit. And then that particular instrument would need to be one that was actually used in the various patterns within that style.

So, to get back to your example from previously of the patch for the "high agogo" -- it doesn't matter what patch number you select for that if the style doesn't make use of "high agogo." You'll never hear the effect of changing that patch.

My advice is to experiment with creating your own custom drum set by editing the patches in the drum kit in the Preferences/DrumKit and saving it under a new name and then loading that drum kit into a song file and see what happens. Put crazy patch numbers into each of the main drumkit instruments (Bass Drum, Snare Drum, all 3 toms, high hat, crash and ride cymbals) and see what happens when you use that drum set. Be careful not to simply save over one of PGMusic's drumkits or you'll regret it. Perhaps you should copy the original files into a sub-folder labeled something like "Original DrumKits" so that if you do accidentally save over one of the originals, you can always copy the original back into the main BB folder.

To try to learn more, I just opened the StyleMaker/EditCurrentStyle dialog and selected Drum and then Edit Pattern and see that there are only 18 drums/cymbals listed, whereas in the Preferences/DrumKit dialog, there are 29 possible instruments listed. And things like "High Agogo" is not one of the instruments to choose in the StyleMaker/EditCurrentStyle dialog, so I don't know why that's even listed at all in the DrumKitDefinition dialog.

So I am as much in the dark about this drum kit stuff as you are.

Sorry I can't be more helpful -- but my limited research shows that you may not be able to do exactly what you want to do. I am hopeful that others who know more about this will chime in with some suggestions.


--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: (drum) Style suggestion, please

IAN GRAHAM
 


Hallo, David
 
I'm very grateful, as ever, for your input. I understand entirely about (midi) drum sets/kits. What I'm still not entirely clear about is what the effect of selecting a single patch should be.
 
If I identified all the percussion instruments used in a style, and then, with that style selected, selected one of them individually , what would the effect be? Would all the other percussion parts be muted ?
 
Sorry to be dense !
 
Ian

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] (drum) Style suggestion, please

 

On 2/28/2017 8:07 AM, 'Ian Graham' idgraham@...
[Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
> 
>
> Thank you, DFF, for this.
>
> Taking your 'aside' first, I entirely agree - but I think we both know
> that ain't likely to happen any time soon !
>
> Your point about quantising a swing style is a fair one, and I can
> therefore modify my original enquiry to delete 'EV' as a specification.
> What I'd like, in this instance, is a drum track that is swirly, not
> very kicky, ambient - ie probably stroked brushes plus some sort of
> cymbal(s); and rather subtly 'swung' - ie a swing ratio closer to parity
> than the default 2:1 or 3:1 ( - although that can maybe also be got at
> by quantising).
>
> Either my original post was as clear as mud to most people, or (given
> the usually active and responsive support of this group) what I'm
> looking for just isn't there.
>
> Is it fair to say, as additional comment, that though Biab makes clear
> specific provision for 'Brushes' in both RD and Midi, it is generally
> inclined to be rather robust and exuberant in its 'drumming'? The two
> places that I know of in Biab where there are kit lists, have lists that
> are pretty entirely devoted to 'hit' rather than 'stroked' instruments. .
>
> As an additional question:
>
> with RD drums NOT enabled, the drop-down patch list for Drums offers a
> small number of choices that are for specific kits (41=Brushes being the
> obvious example) but the great majority appear to be for specific
> patches - ie specific bits of a drum kit. Am I understanding that right ?
>
> So on the face of it, selecting, one at a time, two or three specific
> patches and saving to midi each time, might be a way to go ?
>
> But in fact I can't hear that Biab is responding to my choice of patch
> at all - there's always still more than one patch audible, for one
> thing. You might expect "Patch 67" ('High Agogo', from the
> Preference>Drum Kit patch list) to be rather distinctive, but I don't
> think that's what I'm hearing. Do I have to additionally enable that
> choice in some way ?
>
[snip]

I think the lack of response to your requests for suggested styles is
quite likely because most of the members of this group haven't been
looking for that sort of sound. So it might be there -- you'll just
need to sample all the styles which look like they might be somewhat
close in the StylePicker.

Regarding your last paragraph, changing the patch for individual
instruments in a drum kit only affects the drums in Midi styles -- all
the Real Styles have their drum sounds "hard wired" into the style.
They're recorded samples, so what's already been recorded can't be
changed. But for Midi drums, the sounds that are selected can be
changed. However, in order to hear the effect of the change, the style
you're listening to has to make use of the changed instrument. So a
person can change the patch for "high agogo" for example as many times
as they wish, but if the style hasn't made use of the "high agogo"
instrument in the drum part then you'll never hear the effect of the
changes.

The list of drum kits is just that -- where you see "brushes - 41" all
the choices are for various GM drum kits. To change the sound of
individual instruments (e.g. to get a brushes sound on the cymbals) you
need to use the Drum Kit dialog in the Preferences, where you alter the
patches to what you want and then save it as a custom drum kit and then
you'll need to select that drum kit specifically for any song you want
to use it in, or you'll need to use the StyleMaker to edit a style or
two to use that drum kit and then save the styles under new names so as
not to overwrite the originals.

It sounds as if you've got a very specific sound in mind for the ideal
drum kit for your song, so you may need to program your own style --
start with a style which has piano/bass/guitar/strings programmed as you
like, then edit the drum patterns.

Good luck!
--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@...
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: (drum) Style suggestion, please

David H. Bailey
 

On 2/28/2017 8:07 AM, 'Ian Graham' idgraham@btinternet.com [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:


Thank you, DFF, for this.

Taking your 'aside' first, I entirely agree - but I think we both know
that ain't likely to happen any time soon !

Your point about quantising a swing style is a fair one, and I can
therefore modify my original enquiry to delete 'EV' as a specification.
What I'd like, in this instance, is a drum track that is swirly, not
very kicky, ambient - ie probably stroked brushes plus some sort of
cymbal(s); and rather subtly 'swung' - ie a swing ratio closer to parity
than the default 2:1 or 3:1 ( - although that can maybe also be got at
by quantising).

Either my original post was as clear as mud to most people, or (given
the usually active and responsive support of this group) what I'm
looking for just isn't there.

Is it fair to say, as additional comment, that though Biab makes clear
specific provision for 'Brushes' in both RD and Midi, it is generally
inclined to be rather robust and exuberant in its 'drumming'? The two
places that I know of in Biab where there are kit lists, have lists that
are pretty entirely devoted to 'hit' rather than 'stroked' instruments. .

As an additional question:

with RD drums NOT enabled, the drop-down patch list for Drums offers a
small number of choices that are for specific kits (41=Brushes being the
obvious example) but the great majority appear to be for specific
patches - ie specific bits of a drum kit. Am I understanding that right ?

So on the face of it, selecting, one at a time, two or three specific
patches and saving to midi each time, might be a way to go ?

But in fact I can't hear that Biab is responding to my choice of patch
at all - there's always still more than one patch audible, for one
thing. You might expect "Patch 67" ('High Agogo', from the
Preference>Drum Kit patch list) to be rather distinctive, but I don't
think that's what I'm hearing. Do I have to additionally enable that
choice in some way ?
[snip]

I think the lack of response to your requests for suggested styles is quite likely because most of the members of this group haven't been looking for that sort of sound. So it might be there -- you'll just need to sample all the styles which look like they might be somewhat close in the StylePicker.

Regarding your last paragraph, changing the patch for individual instruments in a drum kit only affects the drums in Midi styles -- all the Real Styles have their drum sounds "hard wired" into the style. They're recorded samples, so what's already been recorded can't be changed. But for Midi drums, the sounds that are selected can be changed. However, in order to hear the effect of the change, the style you're listening to has to make use of the changed instrument. So a person can change the patch for "high agogo" for example as many times as they wish, but if the style hasn't made use of the "high agogo" instrument in the drum part then you'll never hear the effect of the changes.

The list of drum kits is just that -- where you see "brushes - 41" all the choices are for various GM drum kits. To change the sound of individual instruments (e.g. to get a brushes sound on the cymbals) you need to use the Drum Kit dialog in the Preferences, where you alter the patches to what you want and then save it as a custom drum kit and then you'll need to select that drum kit specifically for any song you want to use it in, or you'll need to use the StyleMaker to edit a style or two to use that drum kit and then save the styles under new names so as not to overwrite the originals.

It sounds as if you've got a very specific sound in mind for the ideal drum kit for your song, so you may need to program your own style --
start with a style which has piano/bass/guitar/strings programmed as you like, then edit the drum patterns.

Good luck!
--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: (drum) Style suggestion, please

D F Tweedie
 

Ian, wish I could be of more help ... but I've never really delved into RB.

What I can tell you is that, yes,  most sequencers I've ever used  do in fact have variable swing settings that you can dial in to your liking with quantization.

I did snoop around to see where one might find jazz swirly brushes and came across this about the EZDrummer Jazz kit. See the last two comments, particularly.


Obviously the sample has to already be of the right type of hit to sound authentic and apparently so far there hasn't been a big enough demand for this type of drumming to have the manufacturers respond in a significant way.

DF



From: "'Ian Graham' idgraham@... [Band-in-a-Box]"
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] (drum) Style suggestion, please

 

 Thank you, DFF, for this.
Taking your 'aside' first, I entirely agree - but I think we both know that ain't likely to happen any time soon !
Your point about quantising a swing style is a fair one, and I can therefore modify my original enquiry to delete 'EV' as a specification. What I'd like, in this instance, is a drum track that is swirly, not very kicky, ambient - ie probably stroked brushes plus some sort of cymbal(s); and rather subtly 'swung' - ie a swing ratio closer to parity than the default 2:1 or 3:1 ( - although that can maybe also be got at by quantising).
Either my original post was as clear as mud to most people, or (given the usually active and responsive support of this group) what I'm looking for just isn't there.
Is it fair to say, as additional comment, that though Biab makes clear specific provision for 'Brushes' in both RD and Midi, it is generally inclined to be rather robust and exuberant in its 'drumming'? The two places that I know of in Biab where there are kit lists, have lists that are pretty entirely devoted to 'hit' rather than 'stroked' instruments. .
As an additional question:
with RD drums NOT enabled, the drop-down patch list for Drums offers a small number of choices that are for specific kits (41=Brushes being the obvious example) but the great majority appear to be for specific patches - ie specific bits of a drum kit. Am I understanding that right ?
So on the face of it, selecting, one at a time, two or three specific patches and saving to midi each time, might be a way to go ?
But in fact I can't hear that Biab is responding to my choice of patch at all - there's always still more than one patch audible, for one thing. You might expect "Patch 67" ('High Agogo', from the Preference>Drum Kit patch list) to be rather distinctive, but I don't think that's what I'm hearing. Do I have to additionally enable that choice in some way ?
Sincerely
Ian G
Wales
UK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] (drum) Style suggestion, please

 
I am probably stating the obvious, but MIDI is your friend.

If you find one of the older, non-RD styles simpatico, you can massage it in RealBand or your sequencer of choice. You can even take a swing style and straighten it out easily with quantization. Then of course you can thin out the drum hits, change the velocity and voice the different drums as you please.

As an aside, while I do find some of the RealDrums sound really good, I wish that the individual drums were available instead of a mixed down track. Then you could massage and process them, e.g., lower the volume, change the eq, etc., to t ailor a drum track to your liking.

Presumably this would be an easy thing for BIAB to do as they already undoubtedly record the drums multitrack.



From: "'Ian Graham' idgraham@... [Band-in-a- Box]"
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:22 AM
Subject: [Band-in-a-Box] (drum) Style suggestion, please

 
Hallo, group
 
I wonder if anyone can help me with this ?
 
I'm trying to find a drum style which is Ev rather than Sw, but still (a) definitely jazz and not rock/country/funk and (b) not Latin, and also (c) just a bit (well, quite a lot, actually) quieter than what I've found so far, in a fairly extensive search of the Stylefinder and the Real Drums style picker.
 
The  RD Jazz Even 8, for example, has a very busy 'front sound' on the drums, and two heavy back beats, though the ride is pretty much what I'd like. I'd like something rather more 'swirly' - and even the RD Ev brushes is actually quite thumpy.
 
Not that RD are essential. A midi route would at least offer the possibility of editing if necessary.
 
Any ideas much appreciated.
 
Ian G
Wales UK
 
 
 
 





Re: (drum) Style suggestion, please

Kenisha Sternberg
 

Hello
 


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On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:08 PM, "'Ian Graham' idgraham@... [Band-in-a-Box]" wrote:


 

 Thank you, DFF, for this.
Taking your 'aside' first, I entirely agree - but I think we both know that ain't likely to happen any time soon !
Your point about quantising a swing style is a fair one, and I can therefore modify my original enquiry to delete 'EV' as a specification. What I'd like, in this instance, is a drum track that is swirly, not very kicky, ambient - ie probably stroked brushes plus some sort of cymbal(s); and rather subtly 'swung' - ie a swing ratio closer to parity than the default 2:1 or 3:1 ( - although that can maybe also be got at by quantising).
Either my original post was as clear as mud to most people, or (given the usually active and responsive support of this group) what I'm looking for just isn't there.
Is it fair to say, as additional comment, that though Biab makes clear specific provision for 'Brushes' in both RD and Midi, it is generally inclined to be rather robust and exuberant in its 'drumming'? The two places that I know of in Biab where there are kit lists, have lists that are pretty entirely devoted to 'hit' rather than 'stroked' instruments. .
As an additional question:
with RD drums NOT enabled, the drop-down patch list for Drums offers a small number of choices that are for specific kits (41=Brushes being the obvious example) but the great majority appear to be for specific patches - ie specific bits of a drum kit. Am I understanding that right ?
So on the face of it, selecting, one at a time, two or three specific patches and saving to midi each time, might be a way to go ?
But in fact I can't hear that Biab is responding to my choice of patch at all - there's always still more than one patch audible, for one thing. You might expect "Patch 67" ('High Agogo', from the Preference>Drum Kit patch list) to be rather distinctive, but I don't think that's what I'm hearing. Do I have to additionally enable that choice in some way ?
Sincerely
Ian G
Wales
UK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] (drum) Style suggestion, please

 
I am probably stating the obvious, but MIDI is your friend.

If you find one of the older, non-RD styles simpatico, you can massage it in RealBand or your sequencer of choice. You can even take a swing style and straighten it out easily with quantization. Then of course you can thin out the drum hits, change the velocity and voice the different drums as you please.

As an aside, while I do find some of the RealDrums sound really good, I wish that the individual drums were available instead of a mixed down track. Then you could massage and process them, e.g., lower the volume, change the eq, etc., to t ailor a drum track to your liking.

Presumably this would be an easy thing for BIAB to do as they already undoubtedly record the drums multitrack.



From: "'Ian Graham' idgraham@... [Band-in-a- Box]"
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:22 AM
Subject: [Band-in-a-Box] (drum) Style suggestion, please

 
Hallo, group
 
I wonder if anyone can help me with this ?
 
I'm trying to find a drum style which is Ev rather than Sw, but still (a) definitely jazz and not rock/country/funk and (b) not Latin, and also (c) just a bit (well, quite a lot, actually) quieter than what I've found so far, in a fairly extensive search of the Stylefinder and the Real Drums style picker.
 
The  RD Jazz Even 8, for example, has a very busy 'front sound' on the drums, and two heavy back beats, though the ride is pretty much what I'd like. I'd like something rather more 'swirly' - and even the RD Ev brushes is actually quite thumpy.
 
Not that RD are essential. A midi route would at least offer the possibility of editing if necessary.
 
Any ideas much appreciated.
 
Ian G
Wales UK
 
 
 
 





Re: (drum) Style suggestion, please

IAN GRAHAM
 


 Thank you, DFF, for this.

Taking your 'aside' first, I entirely agree - but I think we both know that ain't likely to happen any time soon !

Your point about quantising a swing style is a fair one, and I can therefore modify my original enquiry to delete 'EV' as a specification. What I'd like, in this instance, is a drum track that is swirly, not very kicky, ambient - ie probably stroked brushes plus some sort of cymbal(s); and rather subtly 'swung' - ie a swing ratio closer to parity than the default 2:1 or 3:1 ( - although that can maybe also be got at by quantising).

Either my original post was as clear as mud to most people, or (given the usually active and responsive support of this group) what I'm looking for just isn't there.

Is it fair to say, as additional comment, that though Biab makes clear specific provision for 'Brushes' in both RD and Midi, it is generally inclined to be rather robust and exuberant in its 'drumming'? The two places that I know of in Biab where there are kit lists, have lists that are pretty entirely devoted to 'hit' rather than 'stroked' instruments. .

As an additional question:

with RD drums NOT enabled, the drop-down patch list for Drums offers a small number of choices that are for specific kits (41=Brushes being the obvious example) but the great majority appear to be for specific patches - ie specific bits of a drum kit. Am I understanding that right ?

So on the face of it, selecting, one at a time, two or three specific patches and saving to midi each time, might be a way to go ?

But in fact I can't hear that Biab is responding to my choice of patch at all - there's always still more than one patch audible, for one thing. You might expect "Patch 67" ('High Agogo', from the Preference>Drum Kit patch list) to be rather distinctive, but I don't think that's what I'm hearing. Do I have to additionally enable that choice in some way ?

Sincerely

Ian G

Wales

UK

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] (drum) Style suggestion, please

 

I am probably stating the obvious, but MIDI is your friend.

If you find one of the older, non-RD styles simpatico, you can massage it in RealBand or your sequencer of choice. You can even take a swing style and straighten it out easily with quantization. Then of course you can thin out the drum hits, change the velocity and voice the different drums as you please.

As an aside, while I do find some of the RealDrums sound really good, I wish that the individual drums were available instead of a mixed down track. Then you could massage and process them, e.g., lower the volume, change the eq, etc., to t ailor a drum track to your liking.

Presumably this would be an easy thing for BIAB to do as they already undoubtedly record the drums multitrack.



From: "'Ian Graham' idgraham@... [Band-in-a- Box]"
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:22 AM
Subject: [Band-in-a-Box] (drum) Style suggestion, please

 
Hallo, group
 
I wonder if anyone can help me with this ?
 
I'm trying to find a drum style which is Ev rather than Sw, but still (a) definitely jazz and not rock/country/funk and (b) not Latin, and also (c) just a bit (well, quite a lot, actually) quieter than what I've found so far, in a fairly extensive search of the Stylefinder and the Real Drums style picker.
 
The  RD Jazz Even 8, for example, has a very busy 'front sound' on the drums, and two heavy back beats, though the ride is pretty much what I'd like. I'd like something rather more 'swirly' - and even the RD Ev brushes is actually quite thumpy.
 
Not that RD are essential. A midi route would at least offer the possibility of editing if necessary.
 
Any ideas much appreciated.
 
Ian G
Wales UK
 
 
 
 



Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Media Production
 

Thanks for sharing Angelo
 
Rodgert
 

Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 

I use a free program called JDownloader, which will download  either/both audio/video quite simply. There are no ads. At least, that I have ever seen. Btw, this is for Windows.
 
On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 3:46 PM, 'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box] <Band-in-a-Box@...> wrote:
 
Thank you DF.  Yikers about having to download a adware or variant browser search engine.  I tried going to http://www.listentoyoutube.com/   that Ian suggested but the URL is not working.  Maybe there is converter out there that does not  require adware or browser search engine download.
 
Another reason I wanted to convert youtube songs to Mp3 is so it can work with Riffmaster pro-  supposedly this software filters out other music track and you can hear the certain music tracks more isolated and slow it down without affecting pitch.  Does anyone have feedback about  Riffmaster pro and or its competitor Song Surgeon.
 
Or is there a better software out there for this.
 
Rodger
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Rodger ..
 
The more or less simple answer. First, let me say that I am not sure of what type of audio file compression is used by YouTube. Regardless, whether it is MP3 or something else, there are no files to be downloaded: it is a streaming service.
 
There are several websites that generally in exchange for installing some type of adware or variant browser search engine in your browser, have the ability to capture the stream from YouTube or AFAIK any streaming audio and then convert it to an MP3 file, which you can download. As I said before, even it they provided downloading WAV files, the actual audio quality could not be improved over that of the original compressed file used for the streaming that they have captured..
 
These generally work by having you paste the URL of site streaming the audio into a little applet on your browser.
 
They are not difficult to use, but I personally found it bothersome to have the program interfere with my lean mean browsing.
 
And, I already get plenty of ads through my web email accounts ... thank you very much!
 
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]" <Band-in-a-Box@...>
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
I think this group has excellent people like DF and David Bailey who add information on topics with great precision and detail expanding the scope of the topic or questions at hand.   This is how threads expand into other related subject matter that enables more “tool set power” in the
creative workflow. 
 
I hope there are not people giving negative critiques when others are offering additional information. When criticism is made to people for offering additional information it creates an atmosphere where people are afraid to post or lurkers do not come forward. 
 
This is a great list that David Bailey created and there are all types of people in here.  Some use 3rd party DAW’s, some use Real Band some do not,
Some do not use DAW’s, some are pro some are not pro.
 
There is a diverse range of users and this list is so wonderful and helpful. This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Hi. In reply ,the question was smokey Robinson tunes . Not the quality of the tune in biab .as you know biab is not without its faults .most. Musicians ,use a more pro daw ,but for fun and the large database of songs biab is excellent Best wishes. Siena

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> On 25 Feb 2017, at 23:55, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] <Band-in-a-Box@...> wrote:
>
> DF



 


Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

kowalewskifelishacpy@...
 

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On Monday, February 27, 2017 8:15 PM, "Angelo angelo.nyc@... [Band-in-a-Box]" wrote:


 
I use a free program called JDownloader, which will download  either/both audio/video quite simply. There are no ads. At least, that I have ever seen. Btw, this is for Windows.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 3:46 PM, 'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box] <Band-in-a-Box@...> wrote:
 
Thank you DF.  Yikers about having to download a adware or variant browser search engine.  I tried going to http://www.listentoyoutube. com/   that Ian suggested but the URL is not working.  Maybe there is converter out there that does not  require adware or browser search engine download.
 
Another reason I wanted to convert youtube songs to Mp3 is so it can work with Riffmaster pro-  supposedly this software filters out other music track and you can hear the certain music tracks more isolated and slow it down without affecting pitch.  Does anyone have feedback about  Riffmaster pro and or its competitor Song Surgeon.
 
Or is there a better software out there for this.
 
Rodger
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Rodger ...
 
The more or less simple answer. First, let me say that I am not sure of what type of audio file compression is used by YouTube. Regardless, whether it is MP3 or something else, there are no files to be downloaded: it is a streaming service.
 
There are several websites that generally in exchange for installing some type of adware or variant browser search engine in your browser, have the ability to capture the stream from YouTube or AFAIK any streaming audio and then convert it to an MP3 file, which you can download. As I said before, even it they provided downloading WAV files, the actual audio quality could not be improved over that of the original compressed file used for the streaming that they have captured..
 
These generally work by having you paste the URL of site streaming the audio into a little applet on your browser.
 
They are not difficult to use, but I personally found it bothersome to have the program interfere with my lean mean browsing.
 
And, I already get plenty of ads through my web email accounts ... thank you very much!
 
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]" <Band-in-a-Box@... >
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
I think this group has excellent people like DF and David Bailey who add information on topics with great precision and detail expanding the scope of the topic or questions at hand.   This is how threads expand into other related subject matter that enables more “tool set power” in the
creative workflow. 
 
I hope there are not people giving negative critiques when others are offering additional information. When criticism is made to people for offering additional information it creates an atmosphere where people are afraid to post or lurkers do not come forward. 
 
This is a great list that David Bailey created and there are all types of people in here.  Some use 3rd party DAW’s, some use Real Band some do not,
Some do not use DAW’s, some are pro some are not pro.
 
There is a diverse range of users and this list is so wonderful and helpful. This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Hi. In reply ,the question was smokey Robinson tunes . Not the quality of the tune in biab .as you know biab is not without its faults .most. Musicians ,use a more pro daw ,but for fun and the large database of songs biab is excellent Best wishes. Siena



> On 25 Feb 2017, at 23:55, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] <Band-in-a-Box@... > wrote:
>
> DF







Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

wolfbaen2003
 

I use a free program called JDownloader, which will download  either/both audio/video quite simply. There are no ads. At least, that I have ever seen. Btw, this is for Windows.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 3:46 PM, 'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box] <Band-in-a-Box@...> wrote:
 

Thank you DF.  Yikers about having to download a adware or variant browser search engine.  I tried going to http://www.listentoyoutube.com/   that Ian suggested but the URL is not working.  Maybe there is converter out there that does not  require adware or browser search engine download.
 
Another reason I wanted to convert youtube songs to Mp3 is so it can work with Riffmaster pro-  supposedly this software filters out other music track and you can hear the certain music tracks more isolated and slow it down without affecting pitch.  Does anyone have feedback about  Riffmaster pro and or its competitor Song Surgeon.
 
Or is there a better software out there for this.
 
Rodger
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 

Rodger ...
 
The more or less simple answer. First, let me say that I am not sure of what type of audio file compression is used by YouTube. Regardless, whether it is MP3 or something else, there are no files to be downloaded: it is a streaming service.
 
There are several websites that generally in exchange for installing some type of adware or variant browser search engine in your browser, have the ability to capture the stream from YouTube or AFAIK any streaming audio and then convert it to an MP3 file, which you can download. As I said before, even it they provided downloading WAV files, the actual audio quality could not be improved over that of the original compressed file used for the streaming that they have captured..
 
These generally work by having you paste the URL of site streaming the audio into a little applet on your browser.
 
They are not difficult to use, but I personally found it bothersome to have the program interfere with my lean mean browsing.
 
And, I already get plenty of ads through my web email accounts ... thank you very much!
 
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]" <Band-in-a-Box@...>
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
I think this group has excellent people like DF and David Bailey who add information on topics with great precision and detail expanding the scope of the topic or questions at hand.   This is how threads expand into other related subject matter that enables more “tool set power” in the
creative workflow. 
 
I hope there are not people giving negative critiques when others are offering additional information. When criticism is made to people for offering additional information it creates an atmosphere where people are afraid to post or lurkers do not come forward. 
 
This is a great list that David Bailey created and there are all types of people in here.  Some use 3rd party DAW’s, some use Real Band some do not,
Some do not use DAW’s, some are pro some are not pro.
 
There is a diverse range of users and this list is so wonderful and helpful. This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Hi. In reply ,the question was smokey Robinson tunes . Not the quality of the tune in biab .as you know biab is not without its faults .most. Musicians ,use a more pro daw ,but for fun and the large database of songs biab is excellent Best wishes. Siena



> On 25 Feb 2017, at 23:55, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] <Band-in-a-Box@...> wrote:
>
> DF





Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Michael Payne
 

David Last word on smokey Robinson you can import the chords yourself to whatever style & btm. To whatever your flavour. Siena. Peace & love

On 27 Feb 2017, at 11:47, 'David H. Bailey' dhbailey52@comcast.net [Band-in-a-Box] <Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

archive:


Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

David H. Bailey
 

Putting on my moderator's hat, I'm going to step in here and ask that discussions of copyright be stopped, since to the best of my knowledge none of us are copyright attorneys licensed to give legal advice.

The U.S. copyright law is freely downloadable from www.copyright.gov along with other documents and information about the U.S. copyright law, so I suggest that people go there and read the law for themselves. It is very well indexed so that the parts which apply to music are fairly easy to find. And there are other web-sites which discuss copyright law and its case history and interpretation.

So let's get back to discussing BIAB.

thanks,
David H. Bailey, Moderator

On 2/26/2017 9:24 PM, Kevin Doucet kevin.doucet@gmail.com [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:


When was the last time you researched the copyright law?


Great job. Nearly my first input post and you crap on me...


On 2/26/2017 7:58 PM, Dave Nuttall dnuttall@dnlt.com [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:


On 2/26/2017 7:47 PM, Kevin Doucet kevin.doucet@gmail.com
[Band-in-a-Box] wrote:



It is not breaking the copyright law if you only acquisition a copy
of a song for learning and or study materials.

Kevin Doucet
THEFT is generally against the law almost anywhere in the universe.
--

Sincerely

Kevin Doucet
Manager and CEO of Unicorn Enterprises
1 (256) 315-0910



--
*****
David H. Bailey
dhbailey52@comcast.net
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Kevin Doucet <kevin.doucet@...>
 

When was the last time you researched the copyright law?


Great job. Nearly my first input post and you crap on me...


On 2/26/2017 7:58 PM, Dave Nuttall dnuttall@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:

On 2/26/2017 7:47 PM, Kevin Doucet kevin.doucet@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:

It is not breaking the copyright law if you only acquisition a copy of a song for learning and or study materials.

Kevin Doucet
THEFT is generally against the law almost anywhere in the universe.

-- 

Sincerely

Kevin Doucet
Manager and CEO of Unicorn Enterprises
1 (256) 315-0910


Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Dave Nuttall
 

On 2/26/2017 7:47 PM, Kevin Doucet kevin.doucet@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
 

It is not breaking the copyright law if you only acquisition a copy of a song for learning and or study materials.

Kevin Doucet
THEFT is generally against the law almost anywhere in the universe.


Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Kevin Doucet <kevin.doucet@...>
 

For saving youtube vids as mp3 take a look at;


songr
https://songr.en.softonic.com/
or

FreeYouTubeToMP3Converter
http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/products/dvd/Free-YouTube-to-MP3-Converter.htm



It is not breaking the copyright law if you only acquisition a copy of a song for learning and or study materials.


Kevin Doucet

On 2/26/2017 2:46 PM, 'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:

Thank you DF. Yikers about having to download a adware or variant browser search engine. I tried going to http://www.listentoyoutube.com/ that Ian suggested but the URL is not working. Maybe there is converter out there that does not require adware or browser search engine download.
Another reason I wanted to convert youtube songs to Mp3 is so it can work with Riffmaster pro- supposedly this software filters out other music track and you can hear the certain music tracks more isolated and slow it down without affecting pitch. Does anyone have feedback about Riffmaster pro and or its competitor Song Surgeon.
Or is there a better software out there for this.
Rodger
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Rodger ...
The more or less simple answer. First, let me say that I am not sure of what type of audio file compression is used by YouTube. Regardless, whether it is MP3 or something else, there are no files to be downloaded: it is a streaming service.
There are several websites that generally in exchange for installing some type of adware or variant browser search engine in your browser, have the ability to capture the stream from YouTube or AFAIK any streaming audio and then convert it to an MP3 file, which you can download. As I said before, even it they provided downloading WAV files, the actual audio quality could not be improved over that of the original compressed file used for the streaming that they have captured..
These generally work by having you paste the URL of site streaming the audio into a little applet on your browser.
They are not difficult to use, but I personally found it bothersome to have the program interfere with my lean mean browsing.
And, I already get plenty of ads through my web email accounts ... thank you very much!
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]"
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
I think this group has excellent people like DF and David Bailey who add information on topics with great precision and detail expanding the scope of the topic or questions at hand. This is how threads expand into other related subject matter that enables more tool set power in the
creative workflow.
I hope there are not people giving negative critiques when others are offering additional information. When criticism is made to people for offering additional information it creates an atmosphere where people are afraid to post or lurkers do not come forward.
This is a great list that David Bailey created and there are all types of people in here. Some use 3rd party DAWs, some use Real Band some do not,
Some do not use DAWs, some are pro some are not pro.
There is a diverse range of users and this list is so wonderful and helpful. This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
Rodger
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
Hi. In reply ,the question was smokey Robinson tunes . Not the quality of the tune in biab .as you know biab is not without its faults .most. Musicians ,use a more pro daw ,but for fun and the large database of songs biab is excellent Best wishes. Siena



> On 25 Feb 2017, at 23:55, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
>
> DF




-- 

Sincerely

Kevin Doucet
Manager and CEO of Unicorn Enterprises
1 (256) 315-0910


Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Dave Nuttall
 

I usually don't pay too much attention to what position the chords happen to be (AKA "Slash chords").  I will keep it in mind when we begin the testing for Song Surgeon.

I do a fair amount of sequencing using a keyboard and for the most part, I find that if you create tracks which combine digital and live "musicians", it takes a really advanced musician to capitalize on the inclusion of a slash chord.   And in fairness, a jazz "mindset" is relatively uncommon where I perform (nursing homes and southern/country gospel churches).

Of course, there is plenty of printed music floating around on the planet's "internet" so for the most part, if a song has been "written down", it probably has the slash chords "noted" or can be derived by reading a piano score.


On 2/26/2017 3:49 PM, 'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
 

Hi Dave--
 
Thanks so much for all the info.  I did see the promo future gui layout video of Song Surgeon and it looks impressive whenever it is released.  I’m on PC not Mac--- and I also like the chord detection of Riff Station which is another contender different than Riff Master.  Riff Station shows the chords, up coming chord and shows a list of all chords detected—nice feature.
 
It would seem that song chord detection technology is radically improving.  I saw an android app chord detection that was quite impressive and it would substitute synth chords sounds with a simple slider move in real time of the song playing
 
I really like the auto chord detection programs and am hoping that Song Surgeon does this well.  Perhaps they only do first position chords. But I’d like to find a program that can do Jazz chords and voicings and also analyze gypsy jazz with capabilities to analyze many different positions and inversions.  Does such a program exist.  Will the upcoming Song Surgeon do this.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 

Rodger,
I am a long-time user of Song Surgeon and expect to begin being a part of the beta-testers for release 5.x.

Song Surgeon and their parallel program "Download Surgeon" capture streaming audio and video.   But so will the free/open-source program Audacity.   In fact, Audacity on a Mac with "Soundflower" is equal or better than Song Surgeon or Download Surgeon in terms of what I call "purity" of the sound captured.   It may be my Windows computer (Win 10/64) but sometimes if I capture on Windows, the audio has extraneous "stuff", jitter sometimes when a background process starts or ends, or who knows.   I've captured hundreds of hours of audio on the Mac and have never encountered the "stuff" that I seem to encounter with Windows.

The current version of Song Surgeon doesn't compete well with Riffmaster Pro when it comes to slowing songs without changing pitch.   However, Transcribe from 7th String Software is REALLY good at the slow-down thing.   Transcribe also tries to identify notes/chords.   It is OK, but hopefully the new version of Song Surgeon will have mastered both "needs" (slow/tempo change and pitch/chord identification).

A realistic outlook, based on my current knowledge/experience is that Riffmaster Pro may be a good tool, but until you can try Song Surgeon 5.x or compare Transcribe, you may be best advised to master Audacity for capture, especially if you can use a Mac with Soundflower.

No matter what you use to capture, if it sounds clean, save it as WAV to avoid adding to whatever compression was invoked at the origin.   You'll also find that when you slow down a captured track, whether with Song Surgeon, Transcribe, Riffmaster Pro, et al, you'll be more likely to be satisfied than if you saved disk space and compressed your captures to MP3.   What was originally perhaps say 128kbps in the stream could like be a lot less when you compress the captured stream to MP3, even though your software says it is saving to 320kbps.

Just my $0.02.
PM me to explore nuances of the above.
Dave


On 2/26/2017 2:46 PM, 'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
 
Thank you DF.  Yikers about having to download a adware or variant browser search engine.  I tried going to http://www.listentoyoutube.com/   that Ian suggested but the URL is not working.  Maybe there is converter out there that does not  require adware or browser search engine download.
 
Another reason I wanted to convert youtube songs to Mp3 is so it can work with Riffmaster pro-  supposedly this software filters out other music track and you can hear the certain music tracks more isolated and slow it down without affecting pitch.  Does anyone have feedback about  Riffmaster pro and or its competitor Song Surgeon.
 
Or is there a better software out there for this.
 
Rodger
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Rodger ...
 
The more or less simple answer. First, let me say that I am not sure of what type of audio file compression is used by YouTube. Regardless, whether it is MP3 or something else, there are no files to be downloaded: it is a streaming service.
 
There are several websites that generally in exchange for installing some type of adware or variant browser search engine in your browser, have the ability to capture the stream from YouTube or AFAIK any streaming audio and then convert it to an MP3 file, which you can download. As I said before, even it they provided downloading WAV files, the actual audio quality could not be improved over that of the original compressed file used for the streaming that they have captured..
 
These generally work by having you paste the URL of site streaming the audio into a little applet on your browser.
 
They are not difficult to use, but I personally found it bothersome to have the program interfere with my lean mean browsing.
 
And, I already get plenty of ads through my web email accounts ... thank you very much!
 
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]" mailto:Band-in-a-Box@...
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
I think this group has excellent people like DF and David Bailey who add information on topics with great precision and detail expanding the scope of the topic or questions at hand.   This is how threads expand into other related subject matter that enables more “tool set power” in the
creative workflow. 
 
I hope there are not people giving negative critiques when others are offering additional information. When criticism is made to people for offering additional information it creates an atmosphere where people are afraid to post or lurkers do not come forward. 
 
This is a great list that David Bailey created and there are all types of people in here.  Some use 3rd party DAW’s, some use Real Band some do not,
Some do not use DAW’s, some are pro some are not pro.
 
There is a diverse range of users and this list is so wonderful and helpful. This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Hi. In reply ,the question was smokey Robinson tunes . Not the quality of the tune in biab .as you know biab is not without its faults .most. Musicians ,use a more pro daw ,but for fun and the large database of songs biab is excellent Best wishes. Siena

Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Feb 2017, at 23:55, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] mailto:Band-in-a-Box@... wrote:
>
> DF






Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Media Production
 

Yes that makes so much sense to always save as wav file----- thanks for the great insights
 
I look forward to your critiques of Song Surgeon version 5 after you have beta tested it.  I’m definitely looking for the best chord detection programs out there.
 
Rodger
 

Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 

Rodger,
I am a long-time user of Song Surgeon and expect to begin being a part of the beta-testers for release 5.x.

Song Surgeon and their parallel program "Download Surgeon" capture streaming audio and video.   But so will the free/open-source program Audacity.   In fact, Audacity on a Mac with "Soundflower" is equal or better than Song Surgeon or Download Surgeon in terms of what I call "purity" of the sound captured.   It may be my Windows computer (Win 10/64) but sometimes if I capture on Windows, the audio has extraneous "stuff", jitter sometimes when a background process starts or ends, or who knows.   I've captured hundreds of hours of audio on the Mac and have never encountered the "stuff" that I seem to encounter with Windows.

The current version of Song Surgeon doesn't compete well with Riffmaster Pro when it comes to slowing songs without changing pitch.   However, Transcribe from 7th String Software is REALLY good at the slow-down thing.   Transcribe also tries to identify notes/chords.   It is OK, but hopefully the new version of Song Surgeon will have mastered both "needs" (slow/tempo change and pitch/chord identification).

A realistic outlook, based on my current knowledge/experience is that Riffmaster Pro may be a good tool, but until you can try Song Surgeon 5.x or compare Transcribe, you may be best advised to master Audacity for capture, especially if you can use a Mac with Soundflower.

No matter what you use to capture, if it sounds clean, save it as WAV to avoid adding to whatever compression was invoked at the origin.   You'll also find that when you slow down a captured track, whether with Song Surgeon, Transcribe, Riffmaster Pro, et al, you'll be more likely to be satisfied than if you saved disk space and compressed your captures to MP3.   What was originally perhaps say 128kbps in the stream could like be a lot less when you compress the captured stream to MP3, even though your software says it is saving to 320kbps.

Just my $0.02.
PM me to explore nuances of the above.
Dave


On 2/26/2017 2:46 PM, 'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
 
Thank you DF.  Yikers about having to download a adware or variant browser search engine.  I tried going to http://www.listentoyoutube.com/   that Ian suggested but the URL is not working.  Maybe there is converter out there that does not  require adware or browser search engine download.
 
Another reason I wanted to convert youtube songs to Mp3 is so it can work with Riffmaster pro-  supposedly this software filters out other music track and you can hear the certain music tracks more isolated and slow it down without affecting pitch.  Does anyone have feedback about  Riffmaster pro and or its competitor Song Surgeon.
 
Or is there a better software out there for this.
 
Rodger
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Rodger ...
 
The more or less simple answer. First, let me say that I am not sure of what type of audio file compression is used by YouTube. Regardless, whether it is MP3 or something else, there are no files to be downloaded: it is a streaming service.
 
There are several websites that generally in exchange for installing some type of adware or variant browser search engine in your browser, have the ability to capture the stream from YouTube or AFAIK any streaming audio and then convert it to an MP3 file, which you can download. As I said before, even it they provided downloading WAV files, the actual audio quality could not be improved over that of the original compressed file used for the streaming that they have captured..
 
These generally work by having you paste the URL of site streaming the audio into a little applet on your browser.
 
They are not difficult to use, but I personally found it bothersome to have the program interfere with my lean mean browsing.
 
And, I already get plenty of ads through my web email accounts ... thank you very much!
 
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]" mailto:Band-in-a-Box@...
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
I think this group has excellent people like DF and David Bailey who add information on topics with great precision and detail expanding the scope of the topic or questions at hand.   This is how threads expand into other related subject matter that enables more “tool set power” in the
creative workflow. 
 
I hope there are not people giving negative critiques when others are offering additional information. When criticism is made to people for offering additional information it creates an atmosphere where people are afraid to post or lurkers do not come forward. 
 
This is a great list that David Bailey created and there are all types of people in here.  Some use 3rd party DAW’s, some use Real Band some do not,
Some do not use DAW’s, some are pro some are not pro.
 
There is a diverse range of users and this list is so wonderful and helpful. This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Hi. In reply ,the question was smokey Robinson tunes . Not the quality of the tune in biab .as you know biab is not without its faults .most. Musicians ,use a more pro daw ,but for fun and the large database of songs biab is excellent Best wishes. Siena

Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Feb 2017, at 23:55, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] mailto:Band-in-a-Box@... wrote:
>
> DF





Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Media Production
 

thank you Neal.....sound like that is a goods one without adding “other” programs in the download.
 
Rodger
 

Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 

Google YouTube to MP-3 Converter and you'll come up with at least a dozen hits or so ... here's the first one that came up for me ...

Instructions
  1. Copy and paste the video link that you want to convert.
  2. Select ".mp3" in the format field.
  3. Click the "Start" button to initiate the conversion.
  4. When the conversion is done, download the file from the link provided.



Neal Walters
Doofus Music/Basement Music
12228 Hollowell Church Rd, Greencastle, PA 17225



On 2/26/2017 3:57 PM, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
 
FWIW ...
 
You can always play YouTube on your cellphone or iPad/ Android Tablet; take the audio out of the headphone jack; route it into your computer (or cellphone to tablet) using a 1/8 type double male plug and any patching converter you might need, e.g., stereo mini jack to RCA y cable; and, record it.
 
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]" mailto:Band-in-a-Box@...
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Thank you DF.  Yikers about having to download a adware or variant browser search engine.  I tried going to http://www.listentoyoutube.com/   that Ian suggested but the URL is not working.  Maybe there is converter out there that does not  require adware or browser search engine download.
 
Another reason I wanted to convert youtube songs to Mp3 is so it can work with Riffmaster pro-  supposedly this software filters out other music track and you can hear the certain music tracks more isolated and slow it down without affecting pitch.  Does anyone have feedback about  Riffmaster pro and or its competitor Song Surgeon.
 
Or is there a better software out there for this.
 
Rodger
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Rodger ...
 
The more or less simple answer. First, let me say that I am not sure of what type of audio file compression is used by YouTube. Regardless, whether it is MP3 or something else, there are no files to be downloaded: it is a streaming service.
 
There are several websites that generally in exchange for installing some type of adware or variant browser search engine in your browser, have the ability to capture the stream from YouTube or AFAIK any streaming audio and then convert it to an MP3 file, which you can download. As I said before, even it they provided downloading WAV files, the actual audio quality could not be improved over that of the original compressed file used for the streaming that they have captured..
 
These generally work by having you paste the URL of site streaming the audio into a little applet on your browser.
 
They are not difficult to use, but I personally found it bothersome to have the program interfere with my lean mean browsing.
 
And, I already get plenty of ads through my web email accounts ... thank you very much!
 
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]" mailto:Band-in-a-Box@...
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
I think this group has excellent people like DF and David Bailey who add information on topics with great precision and detail expanding the scope of the topic or questions at hand.   This is how threads expand into other related subject matter that enables more “tool set power” in the
creative workflow. 
 
I hope there are not people giving negative critiques when others are offering additional information. When criticism is made to people for offering additional information it creates an atmosphere where people are afraid to post or lurkers do not come forward. 
 
This is a great list that David Bailey created and there are all types of people in here.  Some use 3rd party DAW’s, some use Real Band some do not,
Some do not use DAW’s, some are pro some are not pro.
 
There is a diverse range of users and this list is so wonderful and helpful. This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Hi. In reply ,the question was smokey Robinson tunes . Not the quality of the tune in biab .as you know biab is not without its faults .most. Musicians ,use a more pro daw ,but for fun and the large database of songs biab is excellent Best wishes. Siena

Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Feb 2017, at 23:55, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] mailto:Band-in-a-Box@... wrote:
>
> DF





 


Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Media Production
 

that’s odd that you can get to the page from favorite list but not from browser
 
Rodger
 

Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 

I'm not sure why the link doesn't work.  I have the link as part of my favorites and I have no problem getting to the page.
 
Here is a screen capture of the page:
 
 
 
I have never had any problems with adware being downloaded to my computer or extensions being added to my browser.
 
Ian
 
On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 3:46 PM, 'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box] <mailto:Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroupscom> wrote:
 
Thank you DF.  Yikers about having to download a adware or variant browser search engine.  I tried going to http://www.listentoyoutube.com/   that Ian suggested but the URL is not working.  Maybe there is converter out there that does not  require adware or browser search engine download.
 
Another reason I wanted to convert youtube songs to Mp3 is so it can work with Riffmaster pro-  supposedly this software filters out other music track and you can hear the certain music tracks more isolated and slow it down without affecting pitch.  Does anyone have feedback about  Riffmaster pro and or its competitor Song Surgeon.
 
Or is there a better software out there for this.
 
Rodger
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Rodger ..
 
The more or less simple answer. First, let me say that I am not sure of what type of audio file compression is used by YouTube. Regardless, whether it is MP3 or something else, there are no files to be downloaded: it is a streaming service.
 
There are several websites that generally in exchange for installing some type of adware or variant browser search engine in your browser, have the ability to capture the stream from YouTube or AFAIK any streaming audio and then convert it to an MP3 file, which you can download. As I said before, even it they provided downloading WAV files, the actual audio quality could not be improved over that of the original compressed file used for the streaming that they have captured..
 
These generally work by having you paste the URL of site streaming the audio into a little applet on your browser.
 
They are not difficult to use, but I personally found it bothersome to have the program interfere with my lean mean browsing.
 
And, I already get plenty of ads through my web email accounts ... thank you very much!
 
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]" <Band-in-a-Box@...>
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
I think this group has excellent people like DF and David Bailey who add information on topics with great precision and detail expanding the scope of the topic or questions at hand.   This is how threads expand into other related subject matter that enables more “tool set power” in the
creative workflow. 
 
I hope there are not people giving negative critiques when others are offering additional information. When criticism is made to people for offering additional information it creates an atmosphere where people are afraid to post or lurkers do not come forward. 
 
This is a great list that David Bailey created and there are all types of people in here.  Some use 3rd party DAW’s, some use Real Band some do not,
Some do not use DAW’s, some are pro some are not pro.
 
There is a diverse range of users and this list is so wonderful and helpful. This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Hi. In reply ,the question was smokey Robinson tunes . Not the quality of the tune in biab .as you know biab is not without its faults .most. Musicians ,use a more pro daw ,but for fun and the large database of songs biab is excellent Best wishes. Siena

Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Feb 2017, at 23:55, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] <Band-in-a-Box@...> wrote:
>
> DF



 


Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Media Production
 

Hi Dave--
 
Thanks so much for all the info.  I did see the promo future gui layout video of Song Surgeon and it looks impressive whenever it is released.  I’m on PC not Mac--- and I also like the chord detection of Riff Station which is another contender different than Riff Master.  Riff Station shows the chords, up coming chord and shows a list of all chords detected—nice feature.
 
It would seem that song chord detection technology is radically improving.  I saw an android app chord detection that was quite impressive and it would substitute synth chords sounds with a simple slider move in real time of the song playing
 
I really like the auto chord detection programs and am hoping that Song Surgeon does this well.  Perhaps they only do first position chords. But I’d like to find a program that can do Jazz chords and voicings and also analyze gypsy jazz with capabilities to analyze many different positions and inversions.  Does such a program exist.  Will the upcoming Song Surgeon do this.
 
Rodger
 

Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 

Rodger,
I am a long-time user of Song Surgeon and expect to begin being a part of the beta-testers for release 5.x.

Song Surgeon and their parallel program "Download Surgeon" capture streaming audio and video.   But so will the free/open-source program Audacity.   In fact, Audacity on a Mac with "Soundflower" is equal or better than Song Surgeon or Download Surgeon in terms of what I call "purity" of the sound captured.   It may be my Windows computer (Win 10/64) but sometimes if I capture on Windows, the audio has extraneous "stuff", jitter sometimes when a background process starts or ends, or who knows.   I've captured hundreds of hours of audio on the Mac and have never encountered the "stuff" that I seem to encounter with Windows.

The current version of Song Surgeon doesn't compete well with Riffmaster Pro when it comes to slowing songs without changing pitch.   However, Transcribe from 7th String Software is REALLY good at the slow-down thing.   Transcribe also tries to identify notes/chords.   It is OK, but hopefully the new version of Song Surgeon will have mastered both "needs" (slow/tempo change and pitch/chord identification).

A realistic outlook, based on my current knowledge/experience is that Riffmaster Pro may be a good tool, but until you can try Song Surgeon 5.x or compare Transcribe, you may be best advised to master Audacity for capture, especially if you can use a Mac with Soundflower.

No matter what you use to capture, if it sounds clean, save it as WAV to avoid adding to whatever compression was invoked at the origin.   You'll also find that when you slow down a captured track, whether with Song Surgeon, Transcribe, Riffmaster Pro, et al, you'll be more likely to be satisfied than if you saved disk space and compressed your captures to MP3.   What was originally perhaps say 128kbps in the stream could like be a lot less when you compress the captured stream to MP3, even though your software says it is saving to 320kbps.

Just my $0.02.
PM me to explore nuances of the above.
Dave


On 2/26/2017 2:46 PM, 'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box] wrote:
 
Thank you DF.  Yikers about having to download a adware or variant browser search engine.  I tried going to http://www.listentoyoutube.com/   that Ian suggested but the URL is not working.  Maybe there is converter out there that does not  require adware or browser search engine download.
 
Another reason I wanted to convert youtube songs to Mp3 is so it can work with Riffmaster pro-  supposedly this software filters out other music track and you can hear the certain music tracks more isolated and slow it down without affecting pitch.  Does anyone have feedback about  Riffmaster pro and or its competitor Song Surgeon.
 
Or is there a better software out there for this.
 
Rodger
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Rodger ...
 
The more or less simple answer. First, let me say that I am not sure of what type of audio file compression is used by YouTube. Regardless, whether it is MP3 or something else, there are no files to be downloaded: it is a streaming service.
 
There are several websites that generally in exchange for installing some type of adware or variant browser search engine in your browser, have the ability to capture the stream from YouTube or AFAIK any streaming audio and then convert it to an MP3 file, which you can download. As I said before, even it they provided downloading WAV files, the actual audio quality could not be improved over that of the original compressed file used for the streaming that they have captured..
 
These generally work by having you paste the URL of site streaming the audio into a little applet on your browser.
 
They are not difficult to use, but I personally found it bothersome to have the program interfere with my lean mean browsing.
 
And, I already get plenty of ads through my web email accounts ... thank you very much!
 
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]" mailto:Band-in-a-Box@...
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
I think this group has excellent people like DF and David Bailey who add information on topics with great precision and detail expanding the scope of the topic or questions at hand.   This is how threads expand into other related subject matter that enables more “tool set power” in the
creative workflow. 
 
I hope there are not people giving negative critiques when others are offering additional information. When criticism is made to people for offering additional information it creates an atmosphere where people are afraid to post or lurkers do not come forward. 
 
This is a great list that David Bailey created and there are all types of people in here.  Some use 3rd party DAW’s, some use Real Band some do not,
Some do not use DAW’s, some are pro some are not pro.
 
There is a diverse range of users and this list is so wonderful and helpful. This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Hi. In reply ,the question was smokey Robinson tunes . Not the quality of the tune in biab .as you know biab is not without its faults .most. Musicians ,use a more pro daw ,but for fun and the large database of songs biab is excellent Best wishes. Siena

Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Feb 2017, at 23:55, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] mailto:Band-in-a-Box@... wrote:
>
> DF





Re: Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs

Ian Cuthbertson
 

I'm not sure why the link doesn't work.  I have the link as part of my favorites and I have no problem getting to the page.

Here is a screen capture of the page:



I have never had any problems with adware being downloaded to my computer or extensions being added to my browser.

Ian

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 3:46 PM, 'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box] <Band-in-a-Box@...> wrote:
 

Thank you DF.  Yikers about having to download a adware or variant browser search engine.  I tried going to http://www.listentoyoutube.com/   that Ian suggested but the URL is not working.  Maybe there is converter out there that does not  require adware or browser search engine download.
 
Another reason I wanted to convert youtube songs to Mp3 is so it can work with Riffmaster pro-  supposedly this software filters out other music track and you can hear the certain music tracks more isolated and slow it down without affecting pitch.  Does anyone have feedback about  Riffmaster pro and or its competitor Song Surgeon.
 
Or is there a better software out there for this.
 
Rodger
 
 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 

Rodger ...
 
The more or less simple answer. First, let me say that I am not sure of what type of audio file compression is used by YouTube. Regardless, whether it is MP3 or something else, there are no files to be downloaded: it is a streaming service.
 
There are several websites that generally in exchange for installing some type of adware or variant browser search engine in your browser, have the ability to capture the stream from YouTube or AFAIK any streaming audio and then convert it to an MP3 file, which you can download. As I said before, even it they provided downloading WAV files, the actual audio quality could not be improved over that of the original compressed file used for the streaming that they have captured..
 
These generally work by having you paste the URL of site streaming the audio into a little applet on your browser.
 
They are not difficult to use, but I personally found it bothersome to have the program interfere with my lean mean browsing.
 
And, I already get plenty of ads through my web email accounts ... thank you very much!
 
DF



From: "'media production' media_production@... [Band-in-a-Box]" <Band-in-a-Box@...>
To: Band-in-a-Box@...
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
I think this group has excellent people like DF and David Bailey who add information on topics with great precision and detail expanding the scope of the topic or questions at hand.   This is how threads expand into other related subject matter that enables more “tool set power” in the
creative workflow. 
 
I hope there are not people giving negative critiques when others are offering additional information. When criticism is made to people for offering additional information it creates an atmosphere where people are afraid to post or lurkers do not come forward. 
 
This is a great list that David Bailey created and there are all types of people in here.  Some use 3rd party DAW’s, some use Real Band some do not,
Some do not use DAW’s, some are pro some are not pro.
 
There is a diverse range of users and this list is so wonderful and helpful. This list certainly does not need people bashing others for giving ideas and suggestions.
 
Rodger
 
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Hall and Oats and Smokey Robinsons songs
 
 
Hi. In reply ,the question was smokey Robinson tunes . Not the quality of the tune in biab .as you know biab is not without its faults .most. Musicians ,use a more pro daw ,but for fun and the large database of songs biab is excellent Best wishes. Siena



> On 25 Feb 2017, at 23:55, D F Tweedie bienpegaito@... [Band-in-a-Box] <Band-in-a-Box@...> wrote:
>
> DF




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