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Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

Gary Thompson
 

gary smith wrote:
Well I figured out how to use the Patch Map File stuff... thanks... so I can now easily click the + button to call up any patch in any bank... for whatever VST is plugged in...
But I can only get it to work for for the solo and melody tracks - Is this by design?
Anyone know???
I think this depends upon the style. If a patch has been pre-assigned in the style, then you are stuck with it. If you modify the style to indicate <no patch> for the instrument, then you should be able to assign the correct bank and patch. You can assign banks and patches within a style.

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Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

gary smith <gksmith@...>
 

Thanks   
 
So Basically you....
 
(a) set up a patch file for your VST or softsynth
(b) Turn Style Patch Changes off
(c) as you work along save using  'Save Song with Patch Changes' and clicking Fill Patches prior to saving
 
... Man what a troublesome user interface... seems like it was designed in the late 80's or 90's
 
----
 
Anyways still one final question....I'm hoping someone can help with:
 
If I wan't to audition the sounds on the THRU channel - when I select a patch from the patch file - it plays the wrong instrument on THRU....   
 
What have i done wrong here LOL
 
thanks g


Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

D F Tweedie
 

But I can only get it to work for for the solo and melody tracks - Is this by design?

Anyone know???
Yes, It is I. LOL

The possible advantage of using a 'save as' style, take a Cumbia for example, is that you might want to use the GM 'tango accordion' patch as a default each time instead of a piano or other keys.. You then simply copy the style file, paste it back in the folder, rename it to your liking, open it and edit the style patch property.

Now you have a template, still GM, that might be closer to the general way you want to work ... without having to deal with patches you don't like or want or a style you otherwise would like to use.

As far as going beyond GM, whether or not you could put in a bank select message, I don't know.

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

DF



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Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

rkl122
 

--- In Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com, gary smith <gksmith@...> wrote:


Well I figured out how to use the Patch Map File stuff... thanks... so I can now easily click the + button to call up any patch in any bank... for whatever VST is plugged in...
 
But I can only get it to work for for the solo and melody tracks - Is this by design?
 
Anyone know???
 
Thanks

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I'd guess the style is setting patches on the other channels.

Try: Pref -> Midi Options and disable Style Patch Changes.

That's also what I'd have advised trying well before messing with editing styles for patch changes. If Prado is the same Prado who started this thread:

http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=260775&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

I'm a tad surprised he didn't refer you to it, since it contains relevant discussion. Some of the assertions/opinions made there have been repeated here, but the link also includes some suggestions from PGMusic. They may regard their approach as the "proper one," others of us (including me) may regard them as cumbersome workarounds, but I suspect most would prefer the patch map approach, for example, to editing styles.

Post back if the patch map issue is not solved by disabling style patch control.

-Ron


Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

D F Tweedie
 

Yes. I tried to explain that before. The patch assignments for the other tracks are written into the styles themselves ... so each time you hit 'play' and it regenerates, it again sends out new midi messages and starts the same patch  or order of patches since a 'b' part might have a different patch on the piano, for example.

DF

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Re: Windows 7 query - BIAB related

Ian Sinclair
 

Many thanks for that. It's encouraging to find a Windows upgrade that
doesn't screw-up the existing software.



Regards,



Ian





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Re: Windows 7 query - BIAB related

lady_jazzer2 <colomtnwoman@...>
 

I've been running W7/64-bit since the Beta release of W7. The only change I had to make was to purchase the Coyote Forte midi package to replace the VST stuff that ships with BiaB. The VST doesn't work under W7/64-bit. Other than that, it runs just fine.

B>


Windows 7 query - BIAB related

Ian Sinclair
 

For the last few years, I've been toddling along with a desktop running XP.
This has been primarily used for work purposes but I've also been able to
use it for music and photography.



I am now about to be forced into upgrading my system and the new system will
come with Windows 7. Again, the system will be primarily for work purposes
and is likely to come with Windows 7 Professional so as to allow the XP
virtual mode. The next two things that I need to decide are whether to stay
at 32-bit or move to 64-bit and to select the processor - Core 2 Quad, i7,
etc.



I'd like to go for the best option that I can, but also not run into
problems with my music software - BIAB 2010 (I have Real Drums, etc but am
not currently using that part of BIAB) and also Sonar 6 Producer.



If anyone has moved their BIAB onto a 64-bit version of Windows 7, I'd be
grateful to know if you experienced any issues with it.



Regards,



Ian



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Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

gary smith <gksmith@...>
 

Well I figured out how to use the Patch Map File stuff... thanks... so I can now easily click the + button to call up any patch in any bank... for whatever VST is plugged in...
 
But I can only get it to work for for the solo and melody tracks - Is this by design?
 
Anyone know???
 
Thanks


Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

D F Tweedie
 

David,

Thank you for your comprehensive response and suggestions. I will continue to look into them, although my enthusiasm is somewhat quelled with the fact that I know ultimately for anything I want to record I'm going to drag a midi file from BIAB to my sequencer.

Best regards.

DF


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Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

David H. Bailey
 

D F Tweedie wrote:
David ...
I've tried to get help with this on the PG Music forums
... and while I've followed the instructions to make an
advanced patch map, I've not had a lot of luck. One thing
that I'm still a little unclear about is whether you have
to manually reload that patch map each time ... or
whether you can get the program to default to it. Could
you please clarify?
However, even if this 'works' (and with a little help, I
can get it working!) it does not really change the basic
problem with how BIAB works in resetting to the 'styles'
default patches in Drum, Piano, Guitar and Strings.
It is true with the patch map you now would now have an
alternate 'permanent' assignment ... but as far as
auditioning different patches ... say you had several
different guitar patches you wanted to try ... you are
still out of luck.
Normally in any sequencing program (I own 4 including
Cubase 5 and have demoed all that run on a PC) once you
have your midi tracks lined up with channel and
'instrument' assigned, you can near instantly audition
different patches without losing any settings on the
other tracks. Even when midi files have bank select and/
or program changes written in, you can either instruct
the sequencer to filter out those messages or set your
'instrument' to disregard them.
So, I think 'quirky, eccentric and cumbersome' is a fair
assessment of 'upper bank' functions in BIAB, while not
for a moment forgetting where the program is brilliant:
auto arranging.
I agree with you that quirky, eccentric and cumbersome is indeed fair assessment. What I had meant was that it was untrue that you couldn't change things. I definitely agree that this is yet another area where the PGMusic developers should spend some of our hard-earned upgrade dollars!

And I have to admit that I'm flying blind in this, trying to help you figure things out without having actually done them myself because I'm quite happy with the default GM bank sounds on my modules.

By clicking on the Help button in the Make an Advanced Patch Map dialog, the following is part of what shows up:

[quote]Say, for example, you have some great string sounds on your synth on Bank 4, Controller 32. With this feature you can not only get to them by selecting the Opt. | Utilities | Make an Advanced Patch map window; you can save them as part of your Band-in-a-Box setup by clicking the [Save] button. This will append your MYSETUP.DK file to include all of the patches you like to use, regardless of where they are on your synth.

This feature can also be effectively used by people who have a supported and preconfigurable setup. For example, if you wanted to change a your bass patch to play an octave down for that "funk" sound, enable the Octave box in the advanced settings, then enter a "-1" in the appropriate box. Select the Bass in the "Audition Changes on Channel" box and press the [Update] button to hear your changes.

If you like the changes you have made you can store your changes permanently by clicking the [Save] button. Your changes will then be appended to your MYSETUP.DK file and used for future sessions of Band-in-a-Box.
[endquote]

So to answer your question about reloading the file each time, it sure seems as if once you've defined this advanced patch map it should give you the sounds you initial define each time you restart the program. One thing I did notice in the Make An Advanced Patch Map dialog is the "Update Settings" button -- I'm not clear on what that does but it might be something you should investigate.

You are also able to create yet another file to help you define and make easy to get at sounds in higher banks. And that is a .PAT file, which you create in a text editor, and then load manually into BIAB. I don't know whether once you load it, it will reload automatically until you select another one or whether you need to load it each time you run BIAB. Once this is loaded, it should be easy to do as you wish, and try out different guitar sounds (for example) to find the one you like best.

There is info somewhere on the PGMusic web-site about how to create such a file, but one way to learn is to look at existing .PAT files and then either create a new one, or start with one which has the basic info you need and then edit the individual patch listings.

None of it's easy, but it should be possible, given the tools which PGMusic has included. The one horrible aspect of this all is the documentation -- that's one area where PGMusic has *never* excelled. In the early days, when the program was very self-explanatory and easily explored it didn't matter so much, but as it grew in complexity the documentation hasn't improved any, making it all so much harder than needs to be.

I hope this has helped and I'm sorry I can't be more specific about just what you need to do.

Good luck.

--
David H. Bailey
dhbailey@davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: remote control file for soundblaster media source

p1criqui
 

I find the solution with the help of this site
http://sbrc.pbworks.com/



1- in mediasource go in the mediasource to option >remote and add the application band in a box with the path

2- just copy the key he give us in the folder C:&#92;Programme&#92;Creative&#92;MediaSource&#92;RemoteControl&#92;KeyMap

3- after 1- the programm appears in the first opening widow of mediasource that you have open with the button start of my remote RM -1000

you can modify all the button and the function with all your windows program in the same way YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THANKS A LOT TO uuuuuuuuuuuuheh


Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

D F Tweedie
 

David ...

I've tried to get help with this on the PG Music forums ... and while I've followed the instructions to make an advanced patch map, I've not had a lot of luck. One thing that I'm still a little unclear about is whether you have to manually reload that patch map each time ... or whether you can get the program to default to it. Could you please clarify?

However, even if this 'works' (and with a little help, I can get it working!) it does not really change the basic problem with how BIAB works in resetting to the 'styles' default patches in Drum, Piano, Guitar and Strings.

It is true with the patch map you now would now have an alternate 'permanent' assignment ... but as far as auditioning different patches ... say you had several different guitar patches you wanted to try ... you are still out of luck.

Normally in any sequencing program (I own 4 including Cubase 5 and have demoed all that run on a PC) once you have your midi tracks lined up with channel and 'instrument' assigned, you can near instantly audition different patches without losing any settings on the other tracks. Even when midi files have bank select and/ or program changes written in, you can either instruct the sequencer to filter out those messages or set your 'instrument' to disregard them.

So, I think 'quirky, eccentric and cumbersome' is a fair assessment of 'upper bank' functions in BIAB, while not for a moment forgetting where the program is brilliant: auto arranging.

DF

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Re: remote control file for soundblaster media source

p1criqui
 

--- In Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com, "uuuuuuuwe" <ug999@...> wrote:

copy to keys directory
you have to start biab from mediasource
Hello

i discover this and it should be great if working

but how to do that
with regedit and the basic editor of windows ,i suppose
and where to copy it in HKEY CLASSES ROOT ?

Second question how to open BIAB from mediasource ???


Re: REQ: Bitter Creek

musik_maven <altroupe@...>
 

--- In Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com, "Dana" <thehesters02@...> wrote:

does any have the arrangement for the fiddle tune Bitter Creek?
thanks
Bitter Creek is also included in the BIAB Files in the Country file.

Alan


Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

David H. Bailey
 

D F Tweedie wrote:
Since I'm also new to BIAB ... about 6 weeks into it ...
I really appreciate the 'Alt+F2' tip. But it is a 'song'
technique.
The bottom line is that you can't really make system
changes so that any time you load a song or start a new
one it plays that great acoustic piano patch you have on
your softsynth or hardware. So, cumbersome is the word.
[snip]

Actually that's not true -- you can define your own patch
map. Under the Opt. menu, click on Utilities and at the
bottom of the next submenu is an option Make an Advanced
Patch Map. When you select that you are presented with a
dialog where you can define any patch on your playback
device or softsynth to be called for any instrument within
the GM listing. So if your superb piano sound is on a bank
where you need to set the LSB to 16 and the patch you want
is number 89, you can define that for what BIAB calls
Acoustic Piano 1. Then any style which calls for Acoustic
Piano will use what you've defined for that sound.

--
David H. Bailey
dhbailey@davidbaileymusicstudio.com


Re: I'd like to contribute...best way?

roronron
 

Yes please do I can convert to sf4. If possible use 24bit 48 khz sampling
rate. Please include bpm and key. It also would be nice to know the chord
you are playing over.

Thank you
Ronald Brown

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Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

D F Tweedie
 

Since I'm also new to BIAB ... about 6 weeks into it ... I really appreciate the 'Alt+F2' tip. But it is a 'song' technique.

The bottom line is that you can't really make system changes so that any time you load a song or start a new one it plays that great acoustic piano patch you have on your softsynth or hardware. So, cumbersome is the word.

BIAB was designed with GM and GM2 in mind only. It is a quirky, eccentric program with some stellar features unmatched by other sequencing software, i.e., 'auto arranging.' But if you're used to modern sequencers, BIAB doesn't even appear to try to keep up with normal programming features. In fact, it seems like most of the development energy from PG Music goes into Real Band, their sequencing platform. A real shame that BIAB doesn't remain their first and highest priority.

DF


Re: REQ: Bitter Creek

Clif Davis <clifton@...>
 

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Dana <thehesters02@gmail.com> wrote:



does any have the arrangement for the fiddle tune Bitter Creek?
thanks
Mike

Go to http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/old-time-music/000962.HTM
<http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/old-time-music/000962.HTM>You can enter
it from the score or right-click on "Medium 1/4=150" and save the midi.
Then try the melody with different styles.

Clif


Re: Non GM banks and VST's (ie: Luxonix Purity) and BIAB

David H. Bailey
 

gksmith@rogers.com wrote:
Thanks kindly... very helpful....
I can now get the melody and solo track to play sounds from any bank in the VST... though I have to say that the method to do this is very cumbersome
Maybe I am missing something...
Shouldn't I be able to just choose a Bank and LSB right from the main screen for any track?
Whenever I do this - as soon as I choose a patch # from the drop down list - the Bank and LSB go back to zero.
(So is manually editing the Patch in the Opt|Channel prefs the only way????)
Also Am I correct that you cannot choose patches outside of GM and GM2 for the other tracks (piano/bass/strings etc...)???
Can anyone help?
Thanks...
A patch is just a patch -- it's a number. You can define your own GM patch map so that any named patch can point to any numbered patch on your device (or soft-synth). You're right that you should be able to choose Bank and LSB from the main screen for any bank, but the instant you click Play it goes back to the data provided by the style. What you can do is to set those as you want them, then hit alt-F2 to bring up the Save With Patches dialog, then when that song reloads each time, those patches you set should still be set.

--
David H. Bailey
dhbailey@davidbaileymusicstudio.com

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