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Re: FAKE BOOK

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 10:00 PM 2/15/01 -0800, you wrote:
i have literally an ASSLOAD of biab fakebooks. ill
send you some if youwant. all user made. even a few
i made myself.

peace
I'd like some myself. Thanks.


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Re: FAKE BOOK

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 09:46 AM 2/15/01 -0800, you wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now including V-10 (with the mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake book,but I have never been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even adequate in the BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd songs.(no offense intended)
Am I missing something ????
Nope, PG prefers to use public domain songs so they don't have to pay
copyright fees.

I was thinking about the fake books like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like Misty etc ,and contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Not asking too much at all, just asking the wrong vendor.

Check out http://www.nortonmusic.com/fake.html

Then click the links at the bottom of the page for the 20 different fake
disks I offer. On the bottom of each individual page you will find a
complete listing of all the songs on that disk.


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Re: Styles and Macs/This is how to change those PC style files to Mac files

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 02:41 PM 2/15/01 +0000, you wrote:

I have often wondered why those PG guys have never provided a drag/drop
file type/creator changer for
Mac users.
There *is* a program that allows PC users to read and write Mac files (I
think it is called DataVis or something close).

The problem is that the percentage of Mac users are so small, most PC users
don't have a real need for it.

On the other hand, the Mac users do have a definite need for a conversion
program, which is why Apple introduced Apple File Exchange so many years
ago, and have evolved it into PC Exchange.

I have a Mac and a PC and when I need to exchange files, I use PC Exchange
on the Mac. There is no need for me to buy the other product. Most Mac
users have Apple File Exchange or later, so the PC user doesn't have to
have the reciprocal program.

Back when I needed both Apple File Exchange and Norton Utilities to convert
each file on an individual basis, I really dreaded making that exchange and
wrote several letters to Apple telling them to go with the flow. They
remained unanswered. PC Exchange is much better, do it once and it happens
automatically the next time, so I guess even though I did not get an
answer, they were working on the problem.

The Mac header information (Type and Creator) are Mac only devices. I
believe I can take a MIDI file made from an Atari, PC, Linux and a dozen or
so other kinds of computers, post them on the web, download and play with
no problem on everything but the Mac. The Mac insists on being different,
so unfortunately, the Mac users have to pay the price.

It is my opinion that the Mac should change their file system and get rid
of the type and creator and adopt the three letter extension of the PC. I
think Apple wasn't so stubborn and went with what has become the standard
file system of the industry, they would sell more computers. But I am on
the outside looking in and perhaps there is a lot that is not apparent to me.


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Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
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Saving Instruments

spalo@...
 

Friends,

Can anybody give me an idiots guide to saving the wider range of
patches from the Virual Sound Canvas (ie Bass Guitar with Chorus)on
to my Biab songs? I've read the manual and the PG Music FAQ's, but it
makes no sense to me.

I'm not an idiot, but I sure as hell feel like one at the moment.

Any help would be most gratefully received.

(I'm using on Biab Version 9)

Dennis


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

jonathanreed@...
 

Hi all its me again.

I was going to answer the Reed rant but Norton did it quite
expertly.>

All I can say is its just my opinion and as a "customer" all I really
want is for my "supplier" to communicate their intentions to me!
That's why I always register when I purchase a product. How much
trouble would it have been for PG music to send out an email to all
registered users? They didn't send any notice until we (mac users)
kept posting on their site. Then they answered with a "its in the
works". A lack of communication like this is one of the main reasons
your customer base will decline, after all we are talking about
over two years here. They (your customer) simply will go somewhere
else.

I agree its not a PC Vs Mac thing and I never intended it to be other
then to give the example of how a "customer" feels when there is no
communication at all from his "supplier".

BAIB 8 will serve me perfectly well for what I need it for and it will
be the last version I will buy however if by chance I do purchase a
newer version (which is unlikely but you never should say never) it
would be the PC version and I will run it under my "Softwindows 95"
which is how I run Acid Pro now.

You all have expressed your opinions very well and I respect them.

By the way, Bob (Norton) if PG Music ran their business like you run
yours they would go up a peg or two on my rating scale. I purchased a
few styles a few years back and sent a few people your way also.
Everyone always had good things to say about dealing with you and you
have always been quick to respond.

After all is said and done its all about making music and how many
little things added to a program sometimes just get in the way of
creativity.

Time to go back to work. :-)

Thanks,

Jon


Re: FAKE BOOK

Peter Amey <pna@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Speer [mailto:rrcp@QNET.COM]
Sent: 15 February 2001 17:46
To: Band-In-A-Box
Subject: [Band-in-a-Box] FAKE BOOK


I have used BB for several versions now including V-10 (with
the mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake book,but I have
never been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even adequate in the BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd songs.(no offense intended)
Am I missing something ????,
I don't think you are. One of the main reasons I upgraded to the MegaPak
was the promise of the "jazz fake book" material. I could never find it
either and protracted correspondence with PG Music never resolved the issue.
However, there are lots of jazz standards in BIAB format about on the web if
you have a look for them.

Peter

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Re: FAKE BOOK

Darryl Roseberg <darryl1@...>
 

Would it be possible to send me some biab fake books.
Darryl Roseberg
Australia.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Black" <willboone@yahoo.com>
To: <Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Re: FAKE BOOK


i have literally an ASSLOAD of biab fakebooks. ill
send you some if youwant. all user made. even a few
i made myself.

peace

--- francis.r@worldnet.att.net wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., DPRICE8292@A... wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., "Tom Speer" <rrcp@Q...>
wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now
including V-10 (with the
mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake
book,but I have never
been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even
adequate in the
BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd
songs.(no offense
intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about
the fake books
like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like
Misty etc ,and
contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@q...
Tom,
I think the thing that your missing is the fact
that BGFAKE is the
BlueGrass FAKE book.
Thanks,
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
dprice8292@a...
From speaking with earlier users of BIAB, there was
once a fakebook
with some standards, but probably because of
copyright reasons it is
no more. However, the files have a pretty good
fakebook at least for
jazz. Even the old version I have of the New Orleans
Piano book has
some standards that is not in the newer version.
Bob F.



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Re: FAKE BOOK

heathw@...
 

I would certainly like more fakebooks, especially if you have Jazz
standards in them (Monk, Miles, Coltrane, Mingus, Ellington, Dorham,
McLean, etc). Can you email them to me or do you need my snail mail
address?
Thanks,
Heath

Andrew Black wrote:


i have literally an ASSLOAD of biab fakebooks. ill
send you some if youwant. all user made. even a few
i made myself.

peace

--- francis.r@worldnet.att.net wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., DPRICE8292@A... wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., "Tom Speer" <rrcp@Q...>
wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now
including V-10 (with the
mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake
book,but I have never
been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even
adequate in the
BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd
songs.(no offense
intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about
the fake books
like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like
Misty etc ,and
contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@q...
Tom,
I think the thing that your missing is the fact
that BGFAKE is the
BlueGrass FAKE book.
Thanks,
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
dprice8292@a...
From speaking with earlier users of BIAB, there was
once a fakebook
with some standards, but probably because of
copyright reasons it is
no more. However, the files have a pretty good
fakebook at least for
jazz. Even the old version I have of the New Orleans
Piano book has
some standards that is not in the newer version.
Bob F.


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Re: FAKE BOOK

Andrew Black <willboone@...>
 

i have literally an ASSLOAD of biab fakebooks. ill
send you some if youwant. all user made. even a few
i made myself.

peace

--- francis.r@worldnet.att.net wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., DPRICE8292@A... wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., "Tom Speer" <rrcp@Q...>
wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now
including V-10 (with the
mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake
book,but I have never
been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even
adequate in the
BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd
songs.(no offense
intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about
the fake books
like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like
Misty etc ,and
contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@q...
Tom,
I think the thing that your missing is the fact
that BGFAKE is the
BlueGrass FAKE book.
Thanks,
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
dprice8292@a...
From speaking with earlier users of BIAB, there was
once a fakebook
with some standards, but probably because of
copyright reasons it is
no more. However, the files have a pretty good
fakebook at least for
jazz. Even the old version I have of the New Orleans
Piano book has
some standards that is not in the newer version.
Bob F.



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Re: FAKE BOOK

ned_francis
 

--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., DPRICE8292@A... wrote:
--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., "Tom Speer" <rrcp@Q...> wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now including V-10 (with the
mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake book,but I have never
been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even adequate in the
BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd songs.(no offense
intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about the fake books
like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like Misty etc ,and
contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@q...
Tom,
I think the thing that your missing is the fact that BGFAKE is the
BlueGrass FAKE book.
Thanks,
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
dprice8292@a...
From speaking with earlier users of BIAB, there was once a fakebook
with some standards, but probably because of copyright reasons it is
no more. However, the files have a pretty good fakebook at least for
jazz. Even the old version I have of the New Orleans Piano book has
some standards that is not in the newer version.
Bob F.


BIB corrupting Gigastudio samples

Dana Harden <golgonooza@...>
 

I need help setting up Band in a box 10 to play Mirislav & AOsamples i Giga Studio 160. It seems to have transposed them, as well as stretched them beyond their lower range, thus cutting off the higher notes. Also, it will only call up the AO tuba, but not the Trump, F Horn Tromb, or Clarinet. Samples are corrupted when i play them in Cubase. The samples also do not release when the key is lifted. The pitches are also not stable.
 
I had sent transpose messages from BIB, as well as given the samples General Midi numbers on bank 0. Under properties in Gigastudio, the only changes made were: I assigned X fades to bank2 and Key-E files to bank1 with the same GM numbers. I increased output to 6db and pitch bend to 4 semi-tones. Changing these back does not restore the samples characteristics.
Help,
Dana


Re: FAKE BOOK

DPRICE8292@...
 

--- In Band-in-a-Box@y..., "Tom Speer" <rrcp@Q...> wrote:
I have used BB for several versions now including V-10 (with the
mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake book,but I have never
been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even adequate in the BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd songs.(no offense intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about the fake books
like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like Misty etc ,and contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@q...
Tom,
I think the thing that your missing is the fact that BGFAKE is the
BlueGrass FAKE book.
Thanks,
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
dprice8292@aol.com


FAKE BOOK

Tom Speer <rrcp@...>
 

I have used BB for several versions now including V-10 (with the mega-pak
upgrade) ,and they talk about the big fake book,but I have never been able
to find anything I would consider big,or even adequate in the BGFAKE
folder,and they are mostly pretty wierd songs.(no offense intended)
Am I missing something ????,I was thinking about the fake books like you can
buy that have most of the old standards like Misty etc ,and contain
sometimes over a thousand songs.
Maybe I'm asking to much.
Thanks
Tom

Tom Speer
rrcp@qnet.com


Tip (Requires BIAB10 & PT7)

DPRICE8292@...
 

I have noticed that pianist playing double octave melody will often
play the low note first, and then the high note slightly delayed.
I have found a way to achive this effect using a combination of
BIAB10 & PowerTracksProAudio7(also from P.G. Music). I first create
the song using "Double Octave Piano" in BIAB10. I then render the
song to a midi file. Once the midi file is loaded in PT7, The low
note melody will be on one track, and the high note will be on
another track. Once the track with the high notes is highlighted
(selected),I then use the "Slide" feature in PT to slide the selected
high note track to the right (delay) about 25 to 50ms depending on
the desired effect. The low and high tracks can then be merged to a
single track if desired.
Enjoy!
Dave Price<
dprice8292 at aol dot com
(dprice8292@aol.com)


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

Kenny Danielson <kendan@...>
 

I was going to answer the Reed rant but Norton did it quite expertly.

A point not emphasized enough is that it isn't a Mac vs. PC thing but
an OS thing. My OS was Windows NT4 but I had to make a dual boot
system for the audio stuff that was originally written for Mac and then
grudgingly adapted for Windows95. Mac is a good machine for media
types and you may remember when it was that they got all the attention
while the PC's had to settle for imperfectly adapted software or none
at all. Even now, my PC must dual boot W2K and W98 to use current
audio programs (originally Mac) that have not yet been updated.

The common advice in 1978, when I bought my first computer, was to
chose the software and then get a computer that would run it. Still true
today, unfortunately. It is really amazing that any software is written
for Mac these days, given the small population of users.

Norton's point about piracy is right on. If you want to see more output
from your favorite authors then support them. Keep pirating and they
will disappear forever.

Mac is a superior system for some things but keep in mind that market
forces dictate so don't take it personally if the consensus is contrary to
your desires and if you insist on championing a lost cause, you are quite
likely to be endlessly frustrated.

Kenny

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob 'Notes' Norton" <norton@nortonmusic.com>
To: <Band-in-a-Box@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Band-in-a-Box] Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box


At 07:30 AM 2/15/01 +0000, jonathanreed@lycos.com wrote:
You raise some very good points.

I have been a registered user for about 8 years (Atari day's).
I first bough BiaB for the Atari on version 3, waaaaaaaay back in the 80s.
Unfortunately, the Atari became an orphan because not enough people bought
software for it, if you can't make profit on the software, nobody will
write it, and the platform will die. The Amiga is another example. A fine
computer that died of a small user base.

[SNIP] They charged me as a Mac
user the same price and do not provide the same service as the PC
side.
Some software manufacturers charge more for the Mac to try to make a
profit.

If they are not going to provide equal customer service for their
product all they need to do is let me know and I will take my business
elsewhere. After all that is the best way to get your message across.
Actually, that is the surest way to keep from ever having an update for
the
Mac.

*** I too have a Mac (and a PC), so allow me to play "THE DEVIL'S
ADVOCATE"
here. ***

The problem with the Mac platform is neither the hardware nor the OS, it
is
the small user base.

When I started writing styles for Band-in-a-Box, Mac was 25% of my market,
now it is less than 5%. Since music is one of the strongholds of the Mac
user base, it stands to reason that the rest of the industry shows similar
depressing numbers.

BTW, I dropped Atari support when it shrunk to under 1% or my sales.

Now suppose you were a software writer and you decide to spend a few
thousand hours writing software. You spend those writing for PC and Mac.
The PC platform returns almost $20.00 for every $1.00 that you see from
the
Mac platform. So you make almost 20 times the hourly wage writing for the
PC. It's a no brainer which you write for first.

Now it is time to invest a few thousand hours in an update. The natural
thing to do is to write for the PC and upgrade it first. You will get
almost 20 times the return for each hour spent.

OK, you spent almost a year on that and it sold well, but you need cash
flow to run this business so what are you going to do? Write another for
the PC or the Mac?

It is unfortunately a fact of life.

If you knew investing in one stock on wall street would return 20 times
the
value of another, which would you invest in?

To add insult to injury, I quit a Mac user's group because all they wanted
to do was swap stories and pirate software. If one person bought Page
Maker, they all had Page Maker. If one bought Illustrator, the all had
Illustrator. I doubt if all users groups are like this, but this
definitely
is one way to make sure you will be using a Windows computer in a few
years. Software is very time consuming to write and without a decent
return
on the investment, what's the use?

My advice to myself and all the other Mac users out there. Buy software,
and buy it often and buy a lot of it. Buy it whether you need it or not.
Never ever give it away. Instead of upgrading your Mac, upgrade your
software first. The only way to keep the Mac platform alive is by
supporting the Mac software industry. (You can start by purchasing all of
my after-market style disks and fake disks <grin>)

If the people who write software cannot make a decent profit for their
time
by writing for the Mac, it will go the way of the Atari and the Amiga.

Once again, I have no axe to grind, I like my Mac and I like my PC. I like
some things about the Mac better, and I like some things about the PC
better. It is comparing apples and oranges (sorry, I couldn't resist).
However, if the Mac user base drops to less than 1% of my user base, I
won't be able to afford to write for it anymore. At at 1%, I'll stick it
out longer than most people. PG seems to be cutting back at about 5%.

In summary, Mac users must show their numbers with their dollars if we
don't want our Macs to be orphans.

OK, I'm done playing "devil's advocate" and return you to your regularly
scheduled BiaB group.


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owner, Norton Music
norton@nortonmusic.com
http://www.nortonmusic.com

Norton Music is the #1 producer of BiaB after-market products in the
world!
Featuring Power User Styles, Fake Disks, and Arangement Disks.
PLUS ... PG Music products at up to 20% off ... FREE Midi Files ... links
to MIDI file search pages ... download and print sheet music directly from
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Re: Frustrations?transpose

M. Steven Ginn <sginn@...>
 

Hi Peter,

For transpose : click with your left mousebutton on the bar you
want transpose.
Hold the button down,and drag every thing you want transpose until
you see a black field.
(hold it black).
Now you must go to EDIT , than TRANSPOSE ,and you can see how many
bars for transpose.
Hope this will help you.(and understand what i meant)

Greetings from the Netherlands, Peter

(My Dutch is much better).
Is this in notation mode? Will it not try and transpose the chords that
I entered as well? You see if I enter the chords, I put them in
correctly for each key, but when I get to the notation and need to enter
the melody, whatever key I pick in the beginning will apply to every
note I enter, regardless of whether the previously entered chord is in
the right key. If this will transpose just the notes, thereby putting
the correct accidentals on all the notes relative to the songs key,
without changing the entered chord, then it would be useful. At least
until PG added this necessary feature.

Thanks,

Steve

P.S. I think your english sounds fine!


Re: Notation

M. Steven Ginn <sginn@...>
 

Hi Susan,

thanks for your response

IMHO, the root of your problem is that you've mistaken BIAB for a
notation program. It's not. It's an auto-accompaniment tool, which
supports a minimal set of notation for Lead Sheet printing. That
notation support is, uh, idiosyncratic in some cases buggy in others.
It often handy for me, but if you want to be able to do key changes,
have accidentals display in a conventional manner, have
second endings,
specify precise note values, rests, ties, dots, etc.... you need a
notation program.
I understand its not a notation program as I have Finale for that. And
I am not looking for all the bells and whistles that you can get with a
notation program (like second endings, etc.). But, if PG music is going
to include notation functionality, it should at the very least include
some fundamental features.

First, making a key change is not even just a notation issue and as an
auto-accompaniment tool, modulating keys should be very necessary. Then
when you add in the other capabilities like melodist and soloist, it is
one thing to generate notes based on the chords (which I assume that it
does) but it sounds kind of funny when the key doesn't change to reflect
the modulation.

Second, since music is fundamentally tied to "time", if you can't
control the time element of a melody line that you enter with basic
elements like rests, ties, dots, etc. (and I'm not talking about codas,
repeat endings, tacets, etc. and various other time related features)
then it renders the program from this standpoint virtually unusable.

Once you have the melody entered in either program, it's relatively
straightforward to export it as a MIDI file and ship it to the other
program. Of course, you'll lose the formatting in that case, but for
example you could use a melody exported from NWC to play with a BIAB
auto accompaniment. You'd have to enter the chords twice: as text in
NWC, and in the chord window of BIAB.
So if I understand correctly, then the most accurate way to do this, is
to create a melody line (exactly) in a notation program. Then export
that to BIAB where you add the chords (and lyrics if you like, but I
haven't gotten to that point yet). From there you should have a somewhat
useful compilation closely resembling the original song, assuming you
can find a decent style to make it sound real. Then finally, if you
want to use this song and print out lead sheets, you need to take this
back into a notation program again, to clean it all up so that the band
members can follow it.

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About practicing with your personal library of music.

What I often do, if I have a lead sheet from another source, is just
enter the chords in BIAB and the read from the lead sheet while BIAB
plays. Better yet, I don't enter the chords but find the tune in the
collection of stuff I've downloaded from the web.
This sounds like a great idea. I guess I was just hoping to prevent
double entry into BIAB and into the notation app for the lead sheet.

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Anyway, good luck, and I hope this helps a little.
Thanks for the help!

Steve


Re: Frustration

M. Steven Ginn <sginn@...>
 

Hi Dave,

thanks for the reply

You didn't say which version of BIAB you have, or which
styles disk you have
or if you have a PC or Mac.
I have version 10 for the PC and I have no idea what styles disk I have.
I originally purchased a combo pak that contained BB 8.0 and Powertraks
Pro and then recently upgraded to version 10, but I have only gone
through the standard installation and don't know what features (styles)
were installed.


First of all, If you have not done so, I would recommend
getting the MegaPack
upgrade to the latest version (version 10 for the PC). It
includes ALL the
styles up to and including Styles disk 26, and at a much
better price than
buying individual styles disks. Some of the latest styles
require version 10
to function properly.
I wish I would have known about upgrading to the MegaPack before I
recently upgraded to version 10.

So I assume these other Styles disks improve BB sound it doesn't sound
so "computeresque" cheesy?

BIAB is much more functional with a good selection of styles.
As for notation entering and editing, its quite easy.
There are 3 modes of notation. Pressing the N button toggles
I figured this part out and yes, clicking on the staff with the mouse is
fairly easy, if you are willing to accept what it gives you.


between these 3
modes. Shift click to backup one mode. In the editable
Also, If you use the mouse to enter a note, it will enter a
"long" note, but
when the next note is clicked, the previous note is
automatically shortened,
the next note is automatically shortened so that the combined notes in
the measure add up to the required number of beats per measure, but the
shortened notes don't necessarily arrive in the correct order. For
example you might want 1.5 + .25 + 1 + 1 + .25, but BB gives you 1 + .75
+ .25 + 1 + 1 (very crude I know, but it explains the problems I
experienced with a single measure for a long time before giving up.

Thanks,

Steve


Re: New poll for Band-in-a-Box

Bob 'Notes' Norton <norton@...>
 

At 07:30 AM 2/15/01 +0000, jonathanreed@lycos.com wrote:
You raise some very good points.

I have been a registered user for about 8 years (Atari day's).
I first bough BiaB for the Atari on version 3, waaaaaaaay back in the 80s.
Unfortunately, the Atari became an orphan because not enough people bought
software for it, if you can't make profit on the software, nobody will
write it, and the platform will die. The Amiga is another example. A fine
computer that died of a small user base.

[SNIP] They charged me as a Mac
user the same price and do not provide the same service as the PC
side.
Some software manufacturers charge more for the Mac to try to make a profit.

If they are not going to provide equal customer service for their
product all they need to do is let me know and I will take my business
elsewhere. After all that is the best way to get your message across.
Actually, that is the surest way to keep from ever having an update for the
Mac.

*** I too have a Mac (and a PC), so allow me to play "THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"
here. ***

The problem with the Mac platform is neither the hardware nor the OS, it is
the small user base.

When I started writing styles for Band-in-a-Box, Mac was 25% of my market,
now it is less than 5%. Since music is one of the strongholds of the Mac
user base, it stands to reason that the rest of the industry shows similar
depressing numbers.

BTW, I dropped Atari support when it shrunk to under 1% or my sales.

Now suppose you were a software writer and you decide to spend a few
thousand hours writing software. You spend those writing for PC and Mac.
The PC platform returns almost $20.00 for every $1.00 that you see from the
Mac platform. So you make almost 20 times the hourly wage writing for the
PC. It's a no brainer which you write for first.

Now it is time to invest a few thousand hours in an update. The natural
thing to do is to write for the PC and upgrade it first. You will get
almost 20 times the return for each hour spent.

OK, you spent almost a year on that and it sold well, but you need cash
flow to run this business so what are you going to do? Write another for
the PC or the Mac?

It is unfortunately a fact of life.

If you knew investing in one stock on wall street would return 20 times the
value of another, which would you invest in?

To add insult to injury, I quit a Mac user's group because all they wanted
to do was swap stories and pirate software. If one person bought Page
Maker, they all had Page Maker. If one bought Illustrator, the all had
Illustrator. I doubt if all users groups are like this, but this definitely
is one way to make sure you will be using a Windows computer in a few
years. Software is very time consuming to write and without a decent return
on the investment, what's the use?

My advice to myself and all the other Mac users out there. Buy software,
and buy it often and buy a lot of it. Buy it whether you need it or not.
Never ever give it away. Instead of upgrading your Mac, upgrade your
software first. The only way to keep the Mac platform alive is by
supporting the Mac software industry. (You can start by purchasing all of
my after-market style disks and fake disks <grin>)

If the people who write software cannot make a decent profit for their time
by writing for the Mac, it will go the way of the Atari and the Amiga.

Once again, I have no axe to grind, I like my Mac and I like my PC. I like
some things about the Mac better, and I like some things about the PC
better. It is comparing apples and oranges (sorry, I couldn't resist).
However, if the Mac user base drops to less than 1% of my user base, I
won't be able to afford to write for it anymore. At at 1%, I'll stick it
out longer than most people. PG seems to be cutting back at about 5%.

In summary, Mac users must show their numbers with their dollars if we
don't want our Macs to be orphans.

OK, I'm done playing "devil's advocate" and return you to your regularly
scheduled BiaB group.


- - - - - - - - -
Bob "Notes" Norton
owner, Norton Music
norton@nortonmusic.com
http://www.nortonmusic.com

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Styles and Macs/This is how to change those PC style files to Mac files

vstguy@...
 

Sometimes you have to change those PC style files to Mac style files because the Mac version of B in a B
can't see those styles created by our PC friends.

You simply change the file type and file creator.

There are Mac programmes such as FileBuddy and Snitch that make it very easy.

My strong recommendation here is don't use apple'sRES-Edit, its overkill for this job.

I have often wondered why those PG guys have never provided a drag/drop file type/creator changer for
Mac users.