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Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

Leighton Cooper
 

Yeah I agree the smartest thing I've done in my life is to order software before I knew how to use it.    Biab has many videos on PGMusic .com support video's but some you will have to divide a page into 16 squares per side just to get the amount of features that are explained rapidly.  I do a lot of tape stopping.


On Thursday, June 10, 2021, 12:00:50 PM PDT, E.J. K. via groups.io <bioman@...> wrote:


If I waited until I had made full use of the existing capabilities, I'd still be on BIAB version 2....

 

 

On 06/10/2021 04:42 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:

On 6/9/2021 6:02 PM, Craig Mullen via groups.io wrote:
The question I always ask myself before an upgrade or new purchase is: Have I fully made use of the existing capabilities of the software/hardware I already have? BIAB is very rich in features.  Few people can say that they have mastered all the bells and whistles before forking over the cash for the next version.
 


Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

E.J. K.
 

If I waited until I had made full use of the existing capabilities, I'd still be on BIAB version 2....

 

 

On 06/10/2021 04:42 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:

On 6/9/2021 6:02 PM, Craig Mullen via groups.io wrote:
The question I always ask myself before an upgrade or new purchase is: Have I fully made use of the existing capabilities of the software/hardware I already have? BIAB is very rich in features.  Few people can say that they have mastered all the bells and whistles before forking over the cash for the next version.
 


Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

David H. Bailey
 

On 6/9/2021 6:02 PM, Craig Mullen via groups.io wrote:
My experience is that unless you have really good computer you may not get great performance.
True, but if 2018 is working, then 2021 should also work fine, as there hasn't been any great improvement in the processing power of BIAB.

The question I always ask myself before an upgrade or new purchase is: Have I fully made use of the existing capabilities of the software/hardware I already have?
BIAB is very rich in features.  Few people can say that they have mastered all the bells and whistles before forking over the cash for the next version.
[snip]
What I find with BIAB is that it's the new styles that attract me, not the bells and whistles. When I upgrade it's to find new styles that will better fit the songs I'm playing (or creating backups for my students).

For me the core purpose of the program hasn't improved in many many years. Not since the real styles got sorted out and BIAB was programmed to handle them better. And before that nothing that changed how I have used the program since I bought my first version many many years ago. Back when there were just the built-in styles available.

For me the decision to upgrade hardware/software isn't so much "Have I mastered what I already have?" as much as "How much can the new hardware/software improve my workflow or give me new opportunities the my current stuff can't offer?"


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Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

Chuck Wiggins
 

If your current hardware is working with 2018 BIAB I think you'd be OK with the new 2021 version. Unless you are recording audio, my impression (as a 30 year software engineer) is that the only drawback with a slower processor is that BIAB will take longer to render an arrangement. It's not a real time app, unless you are recording audio. For any audio recording, I use a DAW.


On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 6:02 PM Craig Mullen via groups.io <craig_m57=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

My experience is that unless you have really good computer you may not get great performance.

The question I always ask myself before an upgrade or new purchase is: Have I fully made use of the existing capabilities of the software/hardware I already have?

BIAB is very rich in features.  Few people can say that they have mastered all the bells and whistles before forking over the cash for the next version.

Craig Mullen

On 6/9/21 11:08 AM, maurice.sings@... wrote:
Thanks for the info.  Would I get a better deal by waiting until Christmas? I also get the feeling my 0.9 GHz laptop would be straining.  I sing standards, some vocalese, occasionally scat bebop.

Cheers,

Maurice


Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

Craig Mullen
 

My experience is that unless you have really good computer you may not get great performance.

The question I always ask myself before an upgrade or new purchase is: Have I fully made use of the existing capabilities of the software/hardware I already have?

BIAB is very rich in features.  Few people can say that they have mastered all the bells and whistles before forking over the cash for the next version.

Craig Mullen

On 6/9/21 11:08 AM, maurice.sings@... wrote:
Thanks for the info.  Would I get a better deal by waiting until Christmas? I also get the feeling my 0.9 GHz laptop would be straining.  I sing standards, some vocalese, occasionally scat bebop.

Cheers,

Maurice


Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

Chuck Wiggins
 

For comping only, I can’t see a big advantage in upgrading. I don’t think there are any new features that facilitate that. I see the biggest advantages in upgrading from the pro to ultra parks are in getting a big variety of RealTracks, but I think you get a decent set of those to start with in the ProPak. For comping it’s mostly about your chord progression anyway.




On Jun 9, 2021, at 11:08 AM, maurice.sings@... wrote:

Thanks for the info.  Would I get a better deal by waiting until Christmas? I also get the feeling my 0.9 GHz laptop would be straining.  I sing standards, some vocalese, occasionally scat bebop.

Cheers,

Maurice


Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

maurice.sings@...
 

Thanks for the info.  Would I get a better deal by waiting until Christmas? I also get the feeling my 0.9 GHz laptop would be straining.  I sing standards, some vocalese, occasionally scat bebop.

Cheers,

Maurice


Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

Roland Lenges
 

Hello,

I don’t now. I haven’t buy the Ultra Pak. But the BIAB 2021 is verry good.

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Le 7 juin 2021 à 18:34, maurice.sings@... a écrit :

Hi,

I am a jazz vocalist and use BIAB 2018 to comp while I am practicing.  Would I gain much by taking advantage of the mid-year sale PG just announced and upgrade to BIAB 2021 with the ULTRAPAK and all XTRA styles ($299USD) ?

Would it run well on my UX30 Asus laptop with an Intel m3-6y30 @ 0.90 GHz and 8 GBytes ram?   

Thanks,

Maurice


Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

Leighton Cooper
 

Biab 2020 and 2021 both added many features to their software.  They state what they are on video's found on the pgmusic website under support/videos.  They however go really frast.  So I actually get a clipboard and paper and write out what they say, so that I can get an idea of why an idea was invented.  I in the past have only upgraded every five years or so.  But because 2020 was a huge release I bought it normally at Christmas time, but this year the 2021 version was also big.  and they offered a 25% discount based on the mac version, which I don't use, I use windows I purchased their goodies.  They also have a chord analyzer too, so You could load in a song (Jazz) that you like and get out a chord sheet that you could them premise how you are going to develop your vocal sections.  So that's a good feature, they have that Copy That software tool also, or there is deCoda from a different vendor.  Which will break your samples up into phrases,  create the time signature, show you what key it's in.  Slow the tempo down but keep it in the same key.  Which are very useful.  What style of Jazz vocals do you sing?


Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

Kelvin Green
 

I've been using BIAB for several years, and update every year. Yes, there are thousands of styles, but it's so enlightening to be able to try well known songs with completely different styles. e.g. heavy rock as a ballad, worship songs with a reggae style. Endless opportunities. 


On Tue, 8 Jun 2021, 08:23 Arthur Trinchera, <a.trinchera@...> wrote:
I wish Biab sold real styles by style categories. That's the biggest thing that keeps me from upgrading the real tracks is that there are so many I will never ever use. I'd love to just be able to purchase all the jazz, funk
and blues instead of a ton of styles I'll never use. I mean the option to do it either way would be great. 

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 9:35 PM Leighton Cooper <methodman3000@...> wrote:
  Hi Maurice I just uipgraded Biab to 2021 and purchased the xtra style packs and the pro series.  Biab is like a jukebox.  In fact it has one built in so you can audition the demos.  Part of Biab is discovering  styles you didn't even know existed and then try to find the artist's who make that style.  Also they have pages dedicated to the people who made Biab Real Tracks.  So when you buy Biab you are buying into an ecosystem..  There is also Bob Norton who publishes Biab fakebooks.  But I don't have enough money to do that.  But he's there also with alternate styles.


On Monday, June 7, 2021, 09:37:31 AM PDT, <maurice.sings@...> wrote:


Hi,

I am a jazz vocalist and use BIAB 2018 to comp while I am practicing.  Would I gain much by taking advantage of the mid-year sale PG just announced and upgrade to BIAB 2021 with the ULTRAPAK and all XTRA styles ($299USD) ?

Would it run well on my UX30 Asus laptop with an Intel m3-6y30 @ 0.90 GHz and 8 GBytes ram?   

Thanks,

Maurice


Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

Arthur Trinchera
 

I wish Biab sold real styles by style categories. That's the biggest thing that keeps me from upgrading the real tracks is that there are so many I will never ever use. I'd love to just be able to purchase all the jazz, funk
and blues instead of a ton of styles I'll never use. I mean the option to do it either way would be great. 

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 9:35 PM Leighton Cooper <methodman3000@...> wrote:
  Hi Maurice I just uipgraded Biab to 2021 and purchased the xtra style packs and the pro series.  Biab is like a jukebox.  In fact it has one built in so you can audition the demos.  Part of Biab is discovering  styles you didn't even know existed and then try to find the artist's who make that style.  Also they have pages dedicated to the people who made Biab Real Tracks.  So when you buy Biab you are buying into an ecosystem..  There is also Bob Norton who publishes Biab fakebooks.  But I don't have enough money to do that.  But he's there also with alternate styles.


On Monday, June 7, 2021, 09:37:31 AM PDT, <maurice.sings@...> wrote:


Hi,

I am a jazz vocalist and use BIAB 2018 to comp while I am practicing.  Would I gain much by taking advantage of the mid-year sale PG just announced and upgrade to BIAB 2021 with the ULTRAPAK and all XTRA styles ($299USD) ?

Would it run well on my UX30 Asus laptop with an Intel m3-6y30 @ 0.90 GHz and 8 GBytes ram?   

Thanks,

Maurice


Re: Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

Leighton Cooper
 

  Hi Maurice I just uipgraded Biab to 2021 and purchased the xtra style packs and the pro series.  Biab is like a jukebox.  In fact it has one built in so you can audition the demos.  Part of Biab is discovering  styles you didn't even know existed and then try to find the artist's who make that style.  Also they have pages dedicated to the people who made Biab Real Tracks.  So when you buy Biab you are buying into an ecosystem..  There is also Bob Norton who publishes Biab fakebooks.  But I don't have enough money to do that.  But he's there also with alternate styles.


On Monday, June 7, 2021, 09:37:31 AM PDT, <maurice.sings@...> wrote:


Hi,

I am a jazz vocalist and use BIAB 2018 to comp while I am practicing.  Would I gain much by taking advantage of the mid-year sale PG just announced and upgrade to BIAB 2021 with the ULTRAPAK and all XTRA styles ($299USD) ?

Would it run well on my UX30 Asus laptop with an Intel m3-6y30 @ 0.90 GHz and 8 GBytes ram?   

Thanks,

Maurice


Biab 2021 vs BIAB 2018 for comping

maurice.sings@...
 

Hi,

I am a jazz vocalist and use BIAB 2018 to comp while I am practicing.  Would I gain much by taking advantage of the mid-year sale PG just announced and upgrade to BIAB 2021 with the ULTRAPAK and all XTRA styles ($299USD) ?

Would it run well on my UX30 Asus laptop with an Intel m3-6y30 @ 0.90 GHz and 8 GBytes ram?   

Thanks,

Maurice


Re: Playing midi files like a real midi player on BIAB

etcjoe
 

If you highlight a track and push F2, you will bring up the events list, usually at the top of this list is the settings for all the CCs (although they can appear throughout to change patches, volume settings, panning etc). As Wayne Knazek explains, these are used to control all aspects of a midi channel and/or track (that is a whole other discussion tracks and channels etc.). I like to have every instrument on different tracks and most MIDI files from the internet are set up this way. If they are MIDI type 0, when RealBand asks you want to expand these out so you can see each instrument and channel on different tracks. Anyway back to the CC's. I like to get rid of the patch changes usually and set this myself, when I open the MIDI file later in my DAW of choice, I don't want it defaulting to general midi instrument as this is usually set in this "Event" list. Because no matter what you think you are choosing as the instrument the Event list always wins and does what it says. There are some good MIDI basic type sites on the web and on YouTube that are helpful in all this. Some trial and error is also a good learning experience!


Re: Playing midi files like a real midi player on BIAB

Hayward Martin
 

Thanks again Wayne! Hayward


From: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io> on behalf of Wayne (Reed) Knazek via groups.io <thenettrainer@...>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 7:57:45 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Playing midi files like a real midi player on BIAB
 
In RealBand, in the tool bar click on Help Contents. Type in "EVENTS". Bingo!


Re: Playing midi files like a real midi player on BIAB

etcjoe
 

Use RealBand that comes with BIAB. You set up the midi driver for your Yamaha, open the midi file and hit the play button. No added instruments etc. You can add stuff if you want. It is pretty simple to use and is a DAW as well. So if you wanted to get a quick track recorded you could do that there. I audition midi files in RealBand all the time.


Re: Playing midi files like a real midi player on BIAB

Wayne (Reed) Knazek
 

In RealBand, in the tool bar click on Help Contents. Type in "EVENTS". Bingo!


Re: Playing midi files like a real midi player on BIAB

Hayward Martin
 

Thanks Wayne... Will have to find a MIDI's for dummies book!  Hayward


From: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io> on behalf of Wayne (Reed) Knazek via groups.io <thenettrainer@...>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 7:42:11 AM
To: main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io <main@Band-In-A-Box.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Band-In-A-Box] Playing midi files like a real midi player on BIAB
 
You need to read up on EVENTS. You have an EVENTS list that can set control events.

Examples:
CC7 is volume. Think Master Volume on an amp.
CC11 is kinda like channel volume on an amp.

You can set your overall volume (7) and 11 for the track at say 112 (out of 127). Then for dynamics
throughout the song you can adjust the volume some either up or down using CC11.

Reverb is CC91  Chorus is CC93. PANNING IS CC10. Zero being hard left.  127 being hard right.
You can adjust panning anywhere between 0 and 127. 63 or 64 would be dead center, mono.

An exception would be drums. With many midi editors, drums are on channel 10, and are
considered a mono instrument, and will automatically play at CC10=64, dead center. Even if you
enter a different CC10 value. There are ways around that, but a bit much for a short answer here.

What's happening with your midis is . . . there are EVENTS set in the EVENTS list. So even if you adjust
the sliders, as soon as the midi starts, the EVENTS are read, and move the sliders where they are set
to in the list.

Spend some time reading up about how to set/change events. It's really as easy as typing numbers into a field.


Re: Playing midi files like a real midi player on BIAB

Wayne (Reed) Knazek
 
Edited

You need to read up on EVENTS. You have an EVENTS list that can set control events.

Examples:
CC7 is volume. Think Master Volume on an amp.
CC11 is kinda like channel volume on an amp.

You can set your overall volume (7) and 11 for the track at say 112 (out of 127). Then for dynamics
throughout the song you can adjust the volume some either up or down using CC11.

Reverb is CC91  Chorus is CC93. PANNING IS CC10. Zero being hard left.  127 being hard right.
You can adjust panning anywhere between 0 and 127. 63 or 64 would be dead center, mono.

An exception would be drums. With many midi editors, drums are on channel 10, and are
considered a mono instrument, and will automatically play at CC10=64, dead center. Even if you
enter a different CC10 value. There are ways around that, but a bit much for a short answer here.

What's happening with your midis is . . . there are EVENTS set in the EVENTS list. So even if you adjust
the sliders, as soon as the midi starts, the EVENTS are read, and move the sliders where they are set
to in the list.

Spend some time reading up about how to set/change events. It's really as easy as typing numbers into a field.

Added note: EVENTS are set for each CHANNEL, not each track.  If you have a piano on tack 4 and 5, both the
same piano, both set to channel 1, (Maybe 4 is left hand and 5 is right hand for instance) . . .

. . . you only need to set events for one of the 2 tracks. And setting events differently
on both will not yield 2 tracks of piano that sound different, or are at different volumes.
If you set volume at CC7 = 100 on track 4, and CC7 = 112 on track 5, both tracks
will play at CC7 = 112. The highest numbered track of a channel per events is the one
used.

If you wanted track 4, left hand to be louder than track 5, or wanted to add reverb to the
right track and not the left, you need to have track 4 on one channel and track 5 on a different
channel. Then set the events for each track.


Re: My BIAB creations so far #BiaB2020

rob
 

well done henni                                                                                                                                                        rob ! 

On Sunday, May 30, 2021, 02:45:38 p.m. EDT, buildtofly via groups.io <buildtofly@...> wrote:


Hi all,

One more:

Hennis Young Guns

Cheers,

Henni

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