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Totally agree with Cesar, as a musician, spending time playing is what is all about. That said, there are many people who enjoy tinkering with the computer as their version of “playing “ and there is nothing wrong with that. I have used BIAB to support my playing, offer an outlook for different styles I had not considered and it never gets tired of me wanting to play the same piece ad infinitum. BIAB has made me a better musician playing live or in front of the computer.
On Dec 3, 2020, at 8:00 PM, D F Tweedie via groups.io <bienpegaito@...> wrote:
Spoken as a true musician, Cesar ... but the world needs instrument makers, engineers, computer coders and a whole other host of things in addition. :)
On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 8:43:36 PM PST, Cesar Pompeo <capompeo@...> wrote:
In my opinion, you may use Biab the way you want, but it can't do a job greater than a computer skill to help YOU do music.
To be sure you're doing the right thing, compare the time you spend on working at the computer to the time you're really playing. Forget the time spent on doing other jobs like making adjustments to Biab in order to get a better sound, you have only to answer two questions:
- How good do you do your job on playing?
- Are you ready to play with some other musicians and make it sounds a creation even if it's a standard played year after year by hundreds of musicians?
Someone told me not to send any kind of message at the time I'd be better sleeping. What's your impression about this?
Em qui, 3 de dez de 2020 19:39, David H. Bailey <dhbailey52@...
I'm kinda busy now, too. Installing the new BIAB. :)
I'd much rather let BIAB do the heavy lifting in making these arrangements.
I do appreciate you figuring out a way to use these wma files outside of
BIAB, complicated though it might be.
On 12/3/2020 5:04 PM, D F Tweedie via groups.io wrote:
> Ahhh ... sorry, I'm busy right now. :)
> But you can do it for free.
> Free Online Pitch Shifter | OnlineToneGenerator.com
> Free Online Pitch Shifter | OnlineToneGenerator.com
> Just one further comment in regard to your "we don't have to hear one
> single bass lick ..."
> Yes of course among the different lines within the specific RealTrack
> set, there are multiple variations each for both verse and chorus and
> possibly intros ... which BIAB presents intelligently when you compose
> your song and chord structures. Clearly there are multiple ones of each
> as we all know from 'regenerate.'
> But all those identical samples are there to be stitched together if
> you'd care to do so by ear and my Ludditic method.
> On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 12:13:21 PM PST, David H. Bailey
> <dhbailey52@...> wrote:
> Hi DF,
> I would love to hear you build an accompaniment to "Ain't Misbehavin'"
> using your method. The most common key I see that song in is Eb. The
> style I would like to hear is a jazz trio (piano, bass, drums).
> So, using a $700 program (the polyphonic version) or even the $99
> version (the monophonic version), you will be able to build me an
> accompaniment (3 choruses, variation in the middle chorus, 4 bar intro,
> 2 bar ending)?
> Cool -- it's the "laborious" bit that would prevent me from even trying.
> I just listened to a bass track and think that there is much more at
> play than simply a pitch-shifting algorithm. After all, they have to
> mix the various wma files so that we don't hear one single bass lick
> being played over and over again.
> If you can do it, great.
> I'm not sure why anybody would want to, though, given the very laborious
> nature of what you're describing.
> Far easier to have BIAB create the song form, start to finish, with
> intro, ending and various choruses with A and B styles mixed, and then
> work from there.
> But as you say, it's possible . . .
> Thanks for outlining how it could be done!
> On 12/3/2020 1:18 PM, D F Tweedie via groups.io wrote:
> > David ...
> > I'll take you up on your challenge!
> > Here's how to do it ... assuming the RealTrack elements are unencrypted
> > either as WMA or Wav files.
> > Laborious, but technically easy.
> > You need a high-end pitch editor such as Celemony's Melodyne. That
> > program can identify the pitch/ key of an audio sample with very high
> > accuracy and has absolute accuracy on a note by note basis.
> > It can also correct to perfect pitch at 440 hz concert or to whatever
> > other standard such as 432 hz if you prefer.
> > Now take those three or four identical passages from a RealTrack and
> > identify their actual key (if it is not somehow already tagged in the
> > file name.) For purposes of explanation lets say that the formula is C
> > (or C minor, etc.), D#, F#, and A using 4 of the 12 possible keys a
> > passage could be recorded in.
> > So if the opening bars in your song were in those keys, not a problem.
> > Just pick the congruent one. But it the key was B, just pick the closest
> > one, in this example C and put it in Melodyne and shift it down to B.
> > This or course would be laborious to have to stitch a song together
> > section by section. But conceptually it would be easy to do and provide
> > results equal to what BIAB outputs for RealTracks.
> > As a matter of fact, I'd bet the farm that this is exactly how real
> > tracks work internally. If the sample isn't already in the correct key
> > for the bars of the song, it has a pitch shifting algorithm that takes
> > into account the requested key and selects the sample closest to shift
> > from up or down.
> David H. Bailey
> dhbailey52@... <mailto:dhbailey52@...>
David H. Bailey